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good evening everybody welcome to night

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vision i am your host renee barnett

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thank you for joining us tonight for

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what is going to be a really

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not only fun but you know i expect it to

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be an uplifting show

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uh we need it it's been another one of

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those crazy weeks for everybody and i

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want to

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take a little selfish moment here and

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say happy birthday to my son devin who

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uh survived the hurricane in florida

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it uh went up the the other side it went

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up the west on the west side of florida

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rather than the east side because his

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house is on the beach in cocoa beach

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so i want to say happy birthday devin i

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am so proud of you

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you are my only begotten son in whom i

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am well well pleased

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so thank you for being who you are son i

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love you

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all right well that was my little

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selfish moment i want to uh take just a

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quick moment to introduce my guest

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tonight because i'm really excited he's

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my new friend he's a

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an author and a researcher and maybe

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best of all an experiencer tonight we're

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going to be talking about his marian

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experience or experience as maybe i

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should say but also his great research

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into marion apparitions around the world

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and he's taken the sort of creme de la

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creme of the apparitions

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the ones that have the best evidence the

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have also been sanctioned by the church

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but also uh

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just the best stories from around the

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world and there there are so many when i

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started looking into doing this show

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i started things started

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popping into my head about other stories

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that i've heard of

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but kevin has picked the best of the

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best so kevin welcome to night vision i

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don't know why it took me so long to get

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you on here

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oh i'm glad to be here no problem it's

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it's an interesting topic matter of fact

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it makes a lot of stuff

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left in the dust compared to topics that

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there was a fellow when i wrote the book

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it was actually in 2008 well came out

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i started writing in 2008. but what

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happened it's called mary and

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apparitions are real visits from jesus

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and mary

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and it's it's on amazon and barnes noble

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and all that and it's available on

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kindle but but what i'm saying is the

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guy that was going to write the forward

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to it was a professor

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and he's he was also a uh consultant to

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ghost groups paranormal groups

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and one thing he did say in his forward

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everything else kind of pales in

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comparison you know people worry about

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the orbs in the closet and all this

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stuff but we're talking about stuff with

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millions of

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of uh witnesses uh

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hardcore physical evidence that still

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exists to this day

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and it just it makes everything seem

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very non-consequential by comparison so

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i'm practicing so

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you know in reading uh

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some of the stories in your book

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uh you know i see what you mean some of

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these stories are extremely well

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documented and it sort of stood stood

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a lot of them

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now i wanted to ask you i definitely

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want to get into your own experience

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because i want to hear uh and lay it out

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uh for those of our audience who may not

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know your background uh i want to get

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into that in a minute but i wanted to

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ask you something did have you noticed

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at all a pattern in the sightings uh i

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noticed you know some of the ones that

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that i already knew about there there

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seemed to have been a

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quite a few in france and i was

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wondering if you noticed any kind of a

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pattern geographically

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time wise there seems to be the 1800s

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there's a current one even in current

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day in bavaria but but no they have

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they've happened all the time uh there

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were a lot you know lourdes is of course

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uh one of my favorite apparitions and

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it's well studied and known they've been

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movies about it all that but

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uh there's been many others i mean

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places you'd never imagine and uh

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they're ongoing it they're ongoing

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almost all the time

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my book was actually uh

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put on the biography of the marion

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research international marion research

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institute

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that's part of the university of dayton

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and they're kind of like the main body

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that looks into these things

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and there's like 10 apparitional things

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they're looking into it almost any given

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and it's it's been pretty consistent

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they even had something that's in the

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book that's a

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kind of an index of apparitions

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and they go back all the way to 40 a.d

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and of course they're going to the

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current day but what i'm saying is they

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they happen all the time it's not just a

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sporadic thing and it's not just france

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they've had them in africa china uh

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the u.s everywhere really everywhere

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and and you know i know you've had your

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own experience and i want to hear about

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that uh

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but do you feel like that most of the

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experiences that are had out there most

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of the sightings or these events you

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uh ordinary people and

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maybe uh they keep it to themselves or

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you know uh private uh reflection and

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what have you and uh

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they have those but uh uh

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the ones that are uh

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supposed to be witnessed believe me

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they're witnessed

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you know you know it

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oh i see what you're saying there's

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there's huge events they're not little

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private

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uh events generally they're meant to be

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when she wants it to be main event at

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its main event basically right right i

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just wondered if there were like

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things happening all the time all around

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and you know obviously we wouldn't hear

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about every one of them

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and uh and i also wondered if there was

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uh you know any kind of idea whether or

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not at certain times there have been an

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escalation

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uh of events

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i i don't know that

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believe me if you looked at that chart

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in the book

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they really are uh

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encompassing

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i didn't list all of them but it

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encompasses in total two thousand

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different

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and uh that's that's not even the total

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of it so that was as a few years ago

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uh they've been they happen all the time

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literally uh they do

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it's uh

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like i say most of them are not for you

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know dramatic public appearance things

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uh the one like for example the most

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witnessed apparition was

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in the year 68 through 1968 through 1970

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in zeitung egypt which was a suburb of

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and they actually had um

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oh boy

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14 million people witnessed it on arab

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television and

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untold millions

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and the street in cairo because it

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occurred over saint mark's coptic church

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that's a greek orthodox or rather an

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and it went on for two years straight

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three to five nights a week

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people lined up in this town square

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so i mean you can just imagine the

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numbers are almost incalculable how many

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they there were witnesses

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yes yes i've seen that image

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there's actual photographic image

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of that uh over that church

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i remember when that occurred and it was

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really wild you know that they were able

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to get that kind of an image is that the

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only time that you know of that there

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has been such an image captured

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of a marian event

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uh however at i think there were some

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images captured in batanya in the late

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1980s or well in the 1980s in venezuela

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uh maria esperanza was the seer yes

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interface with mary at that time but

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they had several hundred thousand at a

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time that would be theirs at different

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intervals but i think there was some

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photographic evidence there but i'm not

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certain of that

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well now she uh

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she just died like in 2004 didn't she

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yeah that's right

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that's been a very recent

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and uh and you know you're talking about

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the one in bavaria which uh i'd like to

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hear about a little bit later too but um

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do you mind kevin you know talking about

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your own personal experience now you

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weren't a guy that was

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going and looking for a marian

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experience were you uh

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no not at all i mean

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i will say this though i will say this

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pretty strange uh see i was at the time

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i i was prior to converting the catholic

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church in 2004

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and i i proceeded to go through the rcia

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program which is uh

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uh initiation of adults from other

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denominations

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it was a very

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you know moving experience

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but uh

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the real thing that really kicked it off

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into writing the book

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you know like i said i've been a

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catholic for a couple so several years

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uh before 2008 of course

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but i was up in upstate new york looking

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for property did this move up there

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and uh i'm not really crazy for texas i

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it's a little annex of hell i think but

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that's just my opinion

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oh it is but i like upstate new york and

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what had happened is i

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i looked at the property and i was going

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to fly back out of albany to texas on

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tuesday i know a thursday rather so on

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wednesday i i decided i'd be close to

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the airport and just stop nearby town

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and just drive then easily

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you know thursday morning albany and i

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took wednesday to be a sightseer in that

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area it's right near the foothills of

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the adirondacks just very pretty called

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the mohawk valley is what they call it

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and i came i didn't even know the shrine

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was there but i came across our lady of

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martyrs shrine in oriesville new york

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which is the same as fultonville really

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and uh

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you know they're a pretty s setting it's

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about uh

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actually it's 80 acres on on

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rolling hills

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uh

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these are like the foothills of the

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adirondacks

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and uh just a picture as campus and you

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know

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several buildings and some workmen

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running around when i was there but no

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no church services were going on there

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was a

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uh you know it was relatively quiet and

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i started smelling uh

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overpowering smell of roses after a few

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minutes and uh

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i had bad uh

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a bad sense of smell because the

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allergies in texas you know a lot of

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dust and pollens here that are that work

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on you and even though i was in new york

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you don't get better in two days it

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takes like two or three weeks to get

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that out of your system and start

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feeling normal

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so what i was saying is my sense of

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smell wasn't that keen

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but uh

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you know i looked around and there

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weren't any flowers to speak of and uh

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just

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mostly pines and maple trees not

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not anything that's fragrant

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so this went on and on and on and that's

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what you know the issue was and uh i

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finally i went into the

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i had a gift shop dash museum there and

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i went into the gal talked the gal that

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was curator of it

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i said you know what's up i mean you

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know i'm smelling all this

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floral smell and there's no flowers

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what's up

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and she said uh she looked at like i'd

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slapped her and i said why what's the

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matter and she said you smelled it too

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and i said yeah

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and what happens she name is carol uh

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she'd been there 10 years and every 6 to

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12 months somebody

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experiences what's called the odor of

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sanctity

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uh while walking the grounds up there

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and she even whipped out a map

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of the grounds and showed me uh very i

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probably smelled it the strongest and

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she was accurate it was where the first

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uh rosary was set in that part of the

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world

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uh

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you know sometime in the 1600s

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and uh

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oh wow

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they had three this

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they see they had three priests that

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were martyred by the mohawk indians

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and what have you on this that's why

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they called our lady of martyrs

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and but i mean

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she you know she hadn't experienced it

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personally but she said yes for sure

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every six or

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12 months somebody would come in because

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that was the only place really open

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and somebody would come in and talk to

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her and uh

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have the same experience

393
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but that's some that you know that's

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actually not very many people because

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they get they they were busier and

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busier back a few years ago they've had

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to uh rearrange it now where it's still

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open but the diocese had to take it over

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because there was a shortage of jesuit

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priests but it has been

401
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it has still been in continuous

402
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operation for 150 years though

403
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you know it's interesting uh you know

404
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that you mentioned the smell of roses

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now i had not heard the term i'm you

406
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know not catholic never have been

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odor of sanctity

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uh but i have heard you know a lot of

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people talking about

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you know when having an experience like

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this

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having that fragrance of roses

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and like you said it wasn't just like a

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hint of it it would be

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really strong there was no mistaking it

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no it was overpowering it wasn't like oh

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i think i smell you know kind of smell a

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rose no it's like roses in your it's not

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like a whisper it's not like a wisp of

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perfume a gal may have on or something

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like that or some guy's cologne it

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wasn't like that this is like

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cloying powerful and like i say if if

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you were let's put this way if i was in

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a greenhouse which i have been with

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flowers in it it wouldn't be as strong

427
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as that i mean this one

428
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that's many times a factor more intense

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than that

430
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did you um did you have any sensation

431
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other than just the smell i mean did you

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yes uh

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and could you describe it

434
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well i'm not you know an overly dramatic

435
00:19:07,909 --> 00:19:05,120
person as far as you know like

436
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getting you know taken away by events

437
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but

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and i while i was walking the grounds i

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i had a

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thought to myself this is a holy place

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and

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other church grounds before it isn't you

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know i

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used to visit the monastery in conyers

445
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georgia when i lived in atlanta and you

446
00:19:29,990 --> 00:19:28,320
know it was a nice place but it wasn't

447
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this kind of experience there was an

448
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apparition there though by the way

449
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but

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i i

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but i didn't uh

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you know in other words i'm not you know

453
00:19:41,750 --> 00:19:39,760
overly moved by stuff yes it was

454
00:19:43,270 --> 00:19:41,760
beautiful but new york is beautiful it

455
00:19:46,390 --> 00:19:43,280
makes every other place look like a dust

456
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bin but you know of course

457
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but but still what i'm saying

458
00:19:52,630 --> 00:19:50,320
but i'm saying this this was something i

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felt deep in within me this is a holy

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place i had a feeling of it and one of

461
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my priests here in town has has been up

462
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you know i do believe that i do believe

463
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there are places that do hold

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00:20:10,870 --> 00:20:07,840
you know uh some sort of

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uh extremely sacred

466
00:20:15,590 --> 00:20:13,520
energy you know and

467
00:20:18,070 --> 00:20:15,600
certainly certainly places like what

468
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you're talking about and some of these

469
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uh sites of these marian apparitions

470
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you know uh

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some of them are so famous of course

472
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lords and

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and um you know with uh saint bernadette

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i put a uh an image of saint bernadette

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on my facebook page today it is quite

476
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amazing i know

477
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they have uh

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put something

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over her face but still it's

480
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well you know but see the thing is i

481
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don't mean to be too harsh on what they

482
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put over when we talked there is a wax

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coating but

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what it is the flesh is not

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rotted

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but it is not at all but it is a little

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discolored and they just did that for

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cosmetics yes

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that's all i'm saying so i mean it's

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still a miraculous item it just makes

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her look a little more attractive than

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weatherby instead of being weatherbeast

493
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looking but that's all it is

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it's just

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it's not it's

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it is quite amazing

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you know i i want to talk uh a little

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bit more after the break which we're

499
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going to take in just a minute

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about the whole idea of incorruptibility

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00:21:24,230 --> 00:21:22,640
and that sort of being one of the

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criteria

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that the church holds certainly not the

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only one because i think there have been

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yeah they haven't been you know

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declared saints maybe they've been

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beatified i don't know

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but uh anyway i had an experience uh

509
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where i sort of stumbled across such

510
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uh

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such a place and

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believe it or not in cicero illinois and

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i'll i'll tell you about it when we come

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back from the break we're going to take

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a quick break right now and when we come

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back more with kevin cook his mirroring

517
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experiences

518
00:22:03,350 --> 00:22:01,200
and

519
00:22:05,590 --> 00:22:03,360
the great research he's done into the

520
00:22:07,510 --> 00:22:05,600
global marian sightings and jesus

521
00:22:12,070 --> 00:22:07,520
sightings around the world so hang in

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welcome back to night vision if you're

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just joining us tonight we have kevin

524
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cook with us he is an uh iron radio host

525
00:22:25,830 --> 00:22:22,720
with kevin cook show which you can hear

526
00:22:27,270 --> 00:22:25,840
every i think it's tuesday at 9 00 pm

527
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central

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uh

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eastern

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8 pm central

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right

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and some other places go to

533
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kevincookshow.com

534
00:22:44,549 --> 00:22:42,240
and you can see how you can listen to

535
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:44,559
the show also how you can buy the book

536
00:22:48,149 --> 00:22:46,799
and a little bit about uh what kevin

537
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does

538
00:22:52,950 --> 00:22:50,080
now we've been talking about marian

539
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sightings and we were talking about

540
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say bernadette just uh a moment before

541
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in saint bernadette as uh a lot of

542
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people know

543
00:23:04,950 --> 00:23:02,080
uh was uh

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00:23:08,230 --> 00:23:04,960
well known for her sightings uh her

545
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marian sighting experiences in lourdes

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and which is known as a curative spot

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in the world and

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she is

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i wouldn't she's not interred she's in a

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glass case in never's france and her

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body has not

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decomposed

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and that that seems to be the case with

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um

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00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:31,679
some of these people who have had these

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experiences and who have

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later been declared saints

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uh but i had this strange experience i

559
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won't take up too much time on it

560
00:23:46,149 --> 00:23:43,039
because i want to hear more about your

561
00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:46,159
stuff kevin but uh i was in cicero well

562
00:23:50,549 --> 00:23:48,320
i lived in chicago illinois uh for a

563
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short period of time years ago

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and

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al capone because we knew the the

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cemetery is called hillside cemetery and

567
00:24:13,830 --> 00:24:04,559
um

568
00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:13,840
al capone's grave and so that was like

569
00:24:18,070 --> 00:24:16,240
okay there we go we found it and as we

570
00:24:21,590 --> 00:24:18,080
were leaving the cemetery you know we

571
00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:21,600
were drawn to this uh above ground crypt

572
00:24:29,190 --> 00:24:25,039
and there was a picture and a statue of

573
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:29,200
a bride at a top this crypt

574
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:30,240
and

575
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:36,960
the grave of a woman who had died

576
00:24:41,029 --> 00:24:39,600
as she left the church after being

577
00:24:43,990 --> 00:24:41,039
married

578
00:24:45,029 --> 00:24:44,000
she went to get in the car she hit her

579
00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:45,039
head

580
00:24:49,990 --> 00:24:46,640
and died

581
00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:50,000
so of course being in church she just

582
00:24:52,950 --> 00:24:52,080
received the sacraments you know they

583
00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:52,960
she

584
00:24:57,029 --> 00:24:54,240
just

585
00:24:58,149 --> 00:24:57,039
experienced mass as they do at catholic

586
00:25:02,310 --> 00:24:58,159
weddings

587
00:25:04,470 --> 00:25:02,320
and so uh i guess that was sort of a

588
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:04,480
purification of her just immediately

589
00:25:09,190 --> 00:25:06,480
before she died

590
00:25:10,149 --> 00:25:09,200
but after she died and was buried in the

591
00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:10,159
ground

592
00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:13,360
her parents started

593
00:25:17,110 --> 00:25:15,200
feeling as though their daughter was

594
00:25:18,710 --> 00:25:17,120
crying out to them from the grave and

595
00:25:20,789 --> 00:25:18,720
saying you know why did you put me under

596
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:20,799
the ground i never wanted to be under

597
00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:21,840
the ground

598
00:25:27,110 --> 00:25:25,200
and so they worked for and applied for

599
00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:27,120
and got permission

600
00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:28,799
to exhume the body

601
00:25:31,510 --> 00:25:30,400
and i think it was about eight years

602
00:25:35,350 --> 00:25:31,520
later

603
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:35,360
and uh they had this above ground crypt

604
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:36,640
made for her

605
00:25:40,630 --> 00:25:38,720
instead of her being underground and

606
00:25:43,750 --> 00:25:40,640
when they

607
00:25:44,789 --> 00:25:43,760
brought the the casket up and opened it

608
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:44,799
she was

609
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:46,559
in perfect condition in her they're

610
00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:48,960
lying there in her wedding gown

611
00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:50,559
and so they

612
00:25:54,789 --> 00:25:52,320
made a note they called the church they

613
00:25:57,430 --> 00:25:54,799
closed it back and then later they went

614
00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:57,440
back again and looked and her body you

615
00:26:02,950 --> 00:25:59,279
know a few years later was still that

616
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:02,960
way i i'm sure and i know i've done this

617
00:26:07,990 --> 00:26:06,720
you can actually google that you know

618
00:26:10,470 --> 00:26:08,000
hillside

619
00:26:11,430 --> 00:26:10,480
cemetery in cicero illinois

620
00:26:16,470 --> 00:26:11,440
and

621
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:16,480
it's it was an interesting story but i

622
00:26:19,350 --> 00:26:18,480
never heard much about it from anyone

623
00:26:21,029 --> 00:26:19,360
else

624
00:26:23,590 --> 00:26:21,039
no i hadn't heard of it before myself

625
00:26:25,029 --> 00:26:23,600
but there have been about 160 cents from

626
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:25,039
the church that have

627
00:26:28,390 --> 00:26:27,120
been

628
00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:28,400
incorruptable

629
00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:30,080
found to be incorrupted

630
00:26:34,149 --> 00:26:31,760
and in terms of the

631
00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:34,159
of the church what does that mean

632
00:26:39,669 --> 00:26:37,440
uh i know there are there are other uh

633
00:26:42,630 --> 00:26:39,679
sort of there's another a bigger

634
00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:42,640
checklist for things that have to be met

635
00:26:45,990 --> 00:26:44,640
you know miracles have to be experienced

636
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:46,000
and things like that for people to

637
00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:47,760
become saints but

638
00:26:53,029 --> 00:26:49,840
once they've discovered that there's an

639
00:26:55,269 --> 00:26:53,039
uncorrupted body uh

640
00:26:57,190 --> 00:26:55,279
does that in itself

641
00:27:00,789 --> 00:26:57,200
uh carry some sort of

642
00:27:01,830 --> 00:27:00,799
you know sacredness or sanctity well it

643
00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:01,840
it

644
00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:07,360
there there's kind of a torturous

645
00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:09,200
process to become a saint or be

646
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:11,200
considered the same canonized first

647
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:13,200
should be outified and all that but what

648
00:27:18,390 --> 00:27:16,240
i'm saying is that um

649
00:27:20,310 --> 00:27:18,400
well

650
00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:20,320
say that bride for example she wouldn't

651
00:27:24,390 --> 00:27:22,320
necessarily be a candidate for sainthood

652
00:27:26,549 --> 00:27:24,400
just because of the uh

653
00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:26,559
you know his bracket was yes because of

654
00:27:30,549 --> 00:27:29,200
the uh you know incorruptibility

655
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:30,559
but uh

656
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:33,600
they have had at the same time like say

657
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:36,640
about 160 priests and other people that

658
00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:39,279
led saintly lives and so forth

659
00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:40,240
that

660
00:27:43,190 --> 00:27:41,440
mostly were

661
00:27:45,029 --> 00:27:43,200
canonized as saints

662
00:27:46,870 --> 00:27:45,039
but i mean it could happen other than

663
00:27:49,590 --> 00:27:46,880
the formal group that works in the

664
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:49,600
church too like say that bride

665
00:27:53,350 --> 00:27:51,120
no but what i'm saying is this

666
00:27:56,470 --> 00:27:53,360
particular field is not as

667
00:27:58,630 --> 00:27:56,480
structured as some other things

668
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:58,640
yes

669
00:28:03,669 --> 00:28:00,480
it's not right

670
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:03,679
right now when you had that experience

671
00:28:09,669 --> 00:28:06,880
in oriesville uh new york

672
00:28:11,430 --> 00:28:09,679
that one time was that your final

673
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:11,440
experience

674
00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:13,919
oh no no that was probably the most

675
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:16,480
dramatic but not necessarily

676
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:18,320
some of the others have been

677
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:21,120
kind of more of the reassuring kind of

678
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:22,640
coincidences

679
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:23,520
uh

680
00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:25,200
i i feel

681
00:28:30,549 --> 00:28:28,240
mostly not always but for the most part

682
00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:30,559
the odor of sanctity is and roses

683
00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:32,159
associated with mary

684
00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:33,120
but i've

685
00:28:37,110 --> 00:28:34,720
i experienced something

686
00:28:39,269 --> 00:28:37,120
in the i i go to saint elizabeth and

687
00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:39,279
seton church here in keller texas which

688
00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:41,679
is suburb of fort worth

689
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:44,080
and i but every between every six and 12

690
00:28:49,350 --> 00:28:47,520
months i have a very pleasant yet

691
00:28:50,710 --> 00:28:49,360
notable experience down there that's

692
00:28:52,630 --> 00:28:50,720
kind of like a pat on the head you're in

693
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:52,640
the right place buddy or something like

694
00:28:54,870 --> 00:28:53,600
that

695
00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:54,880
and uh

696
00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:56,640
the first time when i was going through

697
00:29:00,389 --> 00:28:58,799
the uh

698
00:29:02,789 --> 00:29:00,399
studies for

699
00:29:04,070 --> 00:29:02,799
the rcia program to become a catholic

700
00:29:06,789 --> 00:29:04,080
from

701
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:06,799
you know the protestant denomination

702
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:07,840
uh

703
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:09,679
first time i went to mass of course you

704
00:29:12,789 --> 00:29:11,120
don't take massive you're absolutely

705
00:29:13,590 --> 00:29:12,799
confirmed in the church at the end of

706
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:13,600
the

707
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:15,600
several month process

708
00:29:20,549 --> 00:29:18,000
but what happened was i crossed myself

709
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:20,559
with holy water on the way out

710
00:29:24,789 --> 00:29:22,799
and i felt an immediate chill the first

711
00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:24,799
two times i did that i mean a strong

712
00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:26,799
powerful chill through my torso it

713
00:29:30,789 --> 00:29:28,080
wasn't

714
00:29:32,630 --> 00:29:30,799
you know my imagination you know it just

715
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:32,640
happened and i mentioned that to the

716
00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:35,279
deacon who was running that program

717
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:37,600
and teaching us and he said uh it

718
00:29:42,070 --> 00:29:39,520
happens all the time around here it's in

719
00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:42,080
other words many of these small miracles

720
00:29:45,909 --> 00:29:44,320
in the church

721
00:29:47,909 --> 00:29:45,919
there should be another book written on

722
00:29:49,750 --> 00:29:47,919
those because a lot of people have them

723
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:49,760
especially when they go through the rcia

724
00:29:52,870 --> 00:29:51,360
program and become

725
00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:52,880
catholics it's kind of like a

726
00:29:55,830 --> 00:29:54,640
reassurance you're in the right place if

727
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:55,840
you will

728
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:57,840
and uh of course i still get them after

729
00:30:01,110 --> 00:29:59,760
all these many years but uh i've

730
00:30:03,430 --> 00:30:01,120
mentioned that to the priest and they

731
00:30:05,830 --> 00:30:03,440
said that happens all the time

732
00:30:07,990 --> 00:30:05,840
there's a whole lot of phenomenology

733
00:30:09,269 --> 00:30:08,000
what i'm saying is it's not normally

734
00:30:11,430 --> 00:30:09,279
well known

735
00:30:12,789 --> 00:30:11,440
but it does happen that's that's what

736
00:30:15,669 --> 00:30:12,799
i'm trying to say

737
00:30:18,549 --> 00:30:15,679
yes yeah well there definitely is a a

738
00:30:21,190 --> 00:30:18,559
very mystical quality about the catholic

739
00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:21,200
church i i must say

740
00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:25,039
now in studying all these uh different

741
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:27,200
events these different marian sightings

742
00:30:33,990 --> 00:30:30,000
around the world and across time

743
00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:34,000
did you feel particularly drawn to one

744
00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:36,240
of the stories more than any of the

745
00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:37,840
others do you have a favorite i guess

746
00:30:41,830 --> 00:30:39,600
i'm asking

747
00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:41,840
well i guess i've got two favorites one

748
00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:43,360
of them would be lourdes because i just

749
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:45,120
for some reason have always been drawn

750
00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:47,520
to it i think i did see a movie about my

751
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:49,200
youth

752
00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:50,640
yes

753
00:30:55,590 --> 00:30:53,279
the song of the song song of bernadette

754
00:30:58,389 --> 00:30:55,600
yeah absolutely absolutely and i

755
00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:58,399
i guess somehow i that was the first

756
00:31:02,470 --> 00:31:00,000
seed that was

757
00:31:04,149 --> 00:31:02,480
implanted in me by catholicism

758
00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:04,159
but i was always very interested in that

759
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:05,600
and fatima

760
00:31:09,669 --> 00:31:08,480
uh i like that there's been a lot of

761
00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:09,679
you know of course there's a lot of

762
00:31:12,549 --> 00:31:11,440
prophecies that were delivered to those

763
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:12,559
children

764
00:31:16,549 --> 00:31:14,000
and fatima

765
00:31:17,830 --> 00:31:16,559
and sister lucia predominantly

766
00:31:20,230 --> 00:31:17,840
and uh

767
00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:20,240
that was stuff that

768
00:31:25,029 --> 00:31:21,600
well

769
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:25,039
what happened is mary would show up uh

770
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:27,120
13th of uh

771
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:28,880
you know succeeding months leading up to

772
00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:33,360
the major apparition and uh

773
00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:36,320
the crowds grew and grew and grew

774
00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:38,240
and uh

775
00:31:42,149 --> 00:31:40,320
these children were three portuguese

776
00:31:44,310 --> 00:31:42,159
peasant children they they were you know

777
00:31:45,909 --> 00:31:44,320
basically uneducated kids

778
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:45,919
and lucia was the only one that actually

779
00:31:49,269 --> 00:31:47,279
conversed with mary even though the

780
00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:49,279
other two could see her

781
00:31:54,310 --> 00:31:50,720
and uh

782
00:31:57,990 --> 00:31:54,320
what it amounted to was uh

783
00:31:59,590 --> 00:31:58,000
uh they talked about uh russia's uh

784
00:32:01,990 --> 00:31:59,600
they talked about the rise of communism

785
00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:02,000
and russia's errors and stuff and in

786
00:32:06,710 --> 00:32:03,840
other words knowledge was imparted to

787
00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:06,720
these kids that they could have never

788
00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:09,120
known i mean these kids could barely

789
00:32:13,110 --> 00:32:10,960
write their names let alone know of

790
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:13,120
current events and the war going on and

791
00:32:16,669 --> 00:32:14,720
all this kind of thing

792
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:16,679
and uh these were this is a very

793
00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:19,200
portugal was a backwater kind of place

794
00:32:23,509 --> 00:32:20,720
and portugal relative to europe was

795
00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:23,519
relatively a backwater as well

796
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:25,120
but a lot in other words a lot of

797
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:27,120
information was given to these children

798
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:29,760
that just basically

799
00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:32,880
could not have come from normal sources

800
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:34,240
and

801
00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:38,960
there's pictures out there that's really

802
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:41,760
cool about um

803
00:32:46,789 --> 00:32:45,120
during the apparitions uh

804
00:32:49,269 --> 00:32:46,799
several things happened one time they

805
00:32:51,669 --> 00:32:49,279
were in this field and they were all

806
00:32:53,029 --> 00:32:51,679
went rain soaked and what have you

807
00:32:55,590 --> 00:32:53,039
and the apparition occurred and they

808
00:32:57,190 --> 00:32:55,600
were all miraculously dry i mean we're

809
00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:57,200
talking a hundred thousand people here

810
00:33:01,430 --> 00:32:59,360
too we're not talking about

811
00:33:02,710 --> 00:33:01,440
uh you know a handful

812
00:33:04,470 --> 00:33:02,720
you know because the crowds grew in

813
00:33:06,789 --> 00:33:04,480
succession as the word of the

814
00:33:08,710 --> 00:33:06,799
apparitions group and other interesting

815
00:33:11,110 --> 00:33:08,720
things are here that really add

816
00:33:12,070 --> 00:33:11,120
authenticity and intrigue to it

817
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:12,080
is that

818
00:33:17,190 --> 00:33:14,159
the portuguese government was very

819
00:33:21,909 --> 00:33:17,200
antagonistic to the catholic church

820
00:33:23,509 --> 00:33:21,919
because uh this is 1917 and

821
00:33:26,710 --> 00:33:23,519
they had a socialist government and they

822
00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:26,720
they viewed the church as the uh

823
00:33:30,630 --> 00:33:29,039
oh the ally of the status quo and the

824
00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:30,640
nobility and you know they were trying

825
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:32,159
to change things for the working people

826
00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:34,320
and i understand all that but they were

827
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:35,760
picking the church out as the villain

828
00:33:38,549 --> 00:33:37,679
and of course it wasn't

829
00:33:40,470 --> 00:33:38,559
but

830
00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:40,480
they were trying to debunk

831
00:33:43,590 --> 00:33:42,159
the apparition

832
00:33:45,430 --> 00:33:43,600
and do you know of all the people they

833
00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:45,440
sent there to debunk it

834
00:33:48,950 --> 00:33:47,519
they were all converted

835
00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:48,960
uh because they were awed by the

836
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:52,080
apparitional events they first they saw

837
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:53,440
and they were all converted and they

838
00:33:58,470 --> 00:33:55,679
they didn't uh you know they didn't play

839
00:34:01,590 --> 00:33:58,480
the government's games what i'm saying

840
00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:01,600
and that was kind of a notable thing but

841
00:34:06,549 --> 00:34:04,000
but the prophecies given to lucia were

842
00:34:09,270 --> 00:34:06,559
very very uh impelling and that that was

843
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:09,280
one of my favorite opera apparitions

844
00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:10,480
and then

845
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:12,560
but wasn't your uh

846
00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:13,919
i'm sorry i didn't mean to rub you

847
00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:15,440
what's that there

848
00:34:20,550 --> 00:34:16,960
some uh

849
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:20,560
one or two or more prophecies

850
00:34:25,829 --> 00:34:24,000
that she kept secret and we don't know

851
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:25,839
all to this day

852
00:34:30,869 --> 00:34:28,159
well there's a controversy over that uh

853
00:34:33,990 --> 00:34:30,879
there is and uh

854
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:34,000
the church at one time said there was a

855
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:36,720
cataclysmic event but the cataclysmic

856
00:34:40,869 --> 00:34:38,879
event was supposed to be the

857
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:40,879
assassination attempt of

858
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:42,399
pope john paul

859
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:45,359
and that's that's crazy because

860
00:34:49,990 --> 00:34:47,359
uh yes there was an assassination

861
00:34:51,909 --> 00:34:50,000
attempt on on the pope but

862
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:51,919
it was just an attempt and you know he

863
00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:54,240
didn't die or anything like that so i

864
00:35:00,630 --> 00:34:54,960
mean

865
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:03,589
worthy of being you know an apparitional

866
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:04,880
prophecy

867
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:06,240
but uh

868
00:35:10,069 --> 00:35:08,240
there's been some talk

869
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:10,079
and uh

870
00:35:14,470 --> 00:35:12,720
there's even a group called uh fatimists

871
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:14,480
that had you know

872
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:16,560
some very notable members of it there

873
00:35:19,829 --> 00:35:18,480
were catholics that that have said that

874
00:35:21,990 --> 00:35:19,839
the church

875
00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:22,000
has kept things secret that is to say

876
00:35:25,990 --> 00:35:24,800
really cataclysmic events you know uh

877
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:26,000
yeah

878
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:28,560
major disasters all this

879
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:30,480
the church has kept it secret not

880
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:32,720
wanting to upset the pop you know the

881
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:34,320
church uh

882
00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:35,520
membership

883
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:38,320
and the world in general but uh that is

884
00:35:43,109 --> 00:35:40,640
possible uh it's

885
00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:43,119
it matter of fact likely

886
00:35:49,030 --> 00:35:46,880
but uh of course sister lucian you know

887
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:49,040
said that wasn't so but

888
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:50,880
uh

889
00:35:55,750 --> 00:35:53,520
i i feel that the church does act

890
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:55,760
paternalistically at times

891
00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:59,119
and they very very possibly could uh

892
00:36:02,310 --> 00:36:00,480
withhold knowledge of something that

893
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:02,320
would scare them

894
00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:03,280
you know

895
00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:05,200
scare the pants off the

896
00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:06,480
church members

897
00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:08,560
right right

898
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:10,880
yeah yeah one does wonder you know what

899
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:12,480
that might be

900
00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:14,160
well there's there's a whole controversy

901
00:36:16,870 --> 00:36:15,520
of these things but you know they're

902
00:36:18,069 --> 00:36:16,880
saying you know

903
00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:18,079
you know the

904
00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:19,839
like i say the assassinations have which

905
00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:21,359
seems pretty low on the richter scale

906
00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:23,760
considering the guy lived 20 more years

907
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:27,200
but uh i'm just saying that uh

908
00:36:32,230 --> 00:36:30,240
the church would act as a parent to try

909
00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:32,240
to withhold negative knowledge to its

910
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:34,640
children you know or something like this

911
00:36:37,109 --> 00:36:36,000
not upset them

912
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:37,119
but uh

913
00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:39,599
i don't know but the other the

914
00:36:43,510 --> 00:36:41,920
physical evidence is really remains what

915
00:36:45,430 --> 00:36:43,520
does it like

916
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:45,440
i guess my favorite apparition if i

917
00:36:49,109 --> 00:36:48,079
would just wrestle to the ground

918
00:36:51,750 --> 00:36:49,119
would be

919
00:36:53,910 --> 00:36:51,760
actually uh

920
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:53,920
well the one that happened in guadalupe

921
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:55,839
mexico

922
00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:57,760
uh the version oh

923
00:37:01,510 --> 00:37:00,640
well there you go with the roses again

924
00:37:05,910 --> 00:37:01,520
well

925
00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:05,920
it was just yes it was so powerful and

926
00:37:08,550 --> 00:37:07,280
what happened

927
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:08,560
is

928
00:37:11,589 --> 00:37:09,599
uh

929
00:37:14,069 --> 00:37:11,599
there was an indian who was a convert to

930
00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:14,079
catholicism named juan diego

931
00:37:18,310 --> 00:37:15,760
okay

932
00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:18,320
and there was a tape topic hill which

933
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:22,000
was near the current site of mexico city

934
00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:22,800
he

935
00:37:27,589 --> 00:37:26,160
appeared to him and

936
00:37:31,990 --> 00:37:27,599
uh

937
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:32,000
had several different meetings with her

938
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:35,200
and then one time when uh

939
00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:36,480
she

940
00:37:43,030 --> 00:37:40,480
the local bishop and

941
00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:43,040
erected chapel there for her and the

942
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:45,119
bishop said you know uh

943
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:47,280
bring me back some proof uh

944
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:48,880
buddy or you know in other words he

945
00:37:51,670 --> 00:37:50,400
thought he was a nut

946
00:37:53,270 --> 00:37:51,680
and he said you know bring me back some

947
00:37:54,630 --> 00:37:53,280
proof we'll talk further which is

948
00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:54,640
understandable

949
00:37:58,230 --> 00:37:57,040
but what happened here's where it gets

950
00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:58,240
very

951
00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:59,520
dicey and

952
00:38:03,589 --> 00:38:00,720
impressive

953
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:03,599
is he was wearing a cactus hulk garment

954
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:06,800
plus husk garment i should say

955
00:38:10,390 --> 00:38:08,800
cactus husk garment you know just you

956
00:38:11,670 --> 00:38:10,400
know fragile

957
00:38:12,630 --> 00:38:11,680
uh

958
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:12,640
you know

959
00:38:16,870 --> 00:38:13,920
husks

960
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:21,670
she arranged uh gave him castilian roses

961
00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:24,000
and and he carried those in this

962
00:38:29,109 --> 00:38:26,800
uh garments you know kind of like a

963
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:29,119
like a cloak if you will and those

964
00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:30,880
weren't even those weren't even native

965
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:33,040
to the area right isn't it

966
00:38:36,870 --> 00:38:35,200
no they were native to castile

967
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:36,880
spain which

968
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:38,880
was from yes

969
00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:40,240
and

970
00:38:45,829 --> 00:38:44,240
also this was in december in mexico city

971
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:45,839
and it is fairly high elevation it would

972
00:38:49,109 --> 00:38:47,680
be cold not like

973
00:38:52,390 --> 00:38:49,119
minnesota or anything but it would be

974
00:38:53,430 --> 00:38:52,400
cold enough for the reno roses okay

975
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:53,440
so

976
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:54,960
he presents these to the bishop of

977
00:38:59,670 --> 00:38:57,119
course the bishop is gobsmacked to see

978
00:39:01,430 --> 00:38:59,680
castilian roses from his homeland

979
00:39:02,950 --> 00:39:01,440
and you know the fastest ship the

980
00:39:04,710 --> 00:39:02,960
spaniards had couldn't get him there

981
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:04,720
before they were wilted

982
00:39:07,030 --> 00:39:05,520
but

983
00:39:08,870 --> 00:39:07,040
what i'm saying is

984
00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:08,880
here is the evidence that still exists

985
00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:10,720
to this day and is on display at the

986
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:12,880
basilica of guadalupe to this day under

987
00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:15,359
glass now but it's only been under glass

988
00:39:21,510 --> 00:39:18,320
the last 150 years it's that same cactus

989
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:21,520
husk garment juan diego had

990
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:23,839
has a and you you could see it on any

991
00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:25,040
google search

992
00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:27,119
the version of guadalupe image

993
00:39:31,990 --> 00:39:29,680
and uh

994
00:39:34,069 --> 00:39:32,000
it's it was it's been examined by sandia

995
00:39:36,310 --> 00:39:34,079
labs the best physical testing lab in

996
00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:36,320
the world bar none with electron

997
00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:37,599
microscopes

998
00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:40,480
there's no pigment there's no tracing

999
00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:42,480
there's no way with all our advanced

1000
00:39:50,470 --> 00:39:45,200
technology to this moment we could

1001
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:53,270
and and i i just happened to know a guy

1002
00:39:57,109 --> 00:39:55,200
that i was having a

1003
00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:57,119
well i can't mention the bank's name but

1004
00:40:01,109 --> 00:39:59,280
they have a western motif let's just

1005
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:01,119
leave it at that

1006
00:40:04,630 --> 00:40:03,119
and uh

1007
00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:04,640
you know they were making a settlement

1008
00:40:08,310 --> 00:40:06,640
with me over some shenanigans

1009
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:08,320
and

1010
00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:12,720
fresh lately on shenanigans too but but

1011
00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:15,200
anyway uh this guy was from albuquerque

1012
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:16,880
and and he knew i was writing a book on

1013
00:40:21,109 --> 00:40:19,119
catholicism and he was a catholic and he

1014
00:40:23,829 --> 00:40:21,119
had actually

1015
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:23,839
known uh engineers from sandia labs that

1016
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:26,400
had examined this shroud

1017
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:28,160
under electron microscope so it wasn't

1018
00:40:30,870 --> 00:40:29,680
firsthand knowledge but secondhand

1019
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:30,880
knowledge which because they were his

1020
00:40:34,470 --> 00:40:31,920
neighbors

1021
00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:34,480
it is as miraculous as

1022
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:37,200
miraculous gets it's no joke

1023
00:40:40,870 --> 00:40:38,640
all the

1024
00:40:43,589 --> 00:40:40,880
you know physics professors that are

1025
00:40:44,390 --> 00:40:43,599
walking around from here to caltech

1026
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:44,400
couldn't

1027
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:45,599
have denied

1028
00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:46,400
the

1029
00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:51,520
it is a image that cannot be replicated

1030
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:54,640
with scientific means to this day

1031
00:40:59,510 --> 00:40:56,880
and here's something just as miraculous

1032
00:41:01,030 --> 00:40:59,520
if you and i took some cactus husks

1033
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:01,040
put it in a shoe box

1034
00:41:04,829 --> 00:41:03,119
put in a closet for 10 or 15 years it'd

1035
00:41:07,829 --> 00:41:04,839
be dust

1036
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:07,839
dust the same

1037
00:41:11,109 --> 00:41:08,960
i mean think about it you know how

1038
00:41:13,349 --> 00:41:11,119
fragile yeah sure

1039
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:13,359
this has been in constant church custody

1040
00:41:16,630 --> 00:41:15,200
for 500

1041
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:16,640
years

1042
00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:17,920
wow

1043
00:41:21,829 --> 00:41:19,920
and i i know when we were talking about

1044
00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:21,839
it off the air um

1045
00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:22,720
i was

1046
00:41:26,470 --> 00:41:24,560
you know mentioned it it reminded me of

1047
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:26,480
the the shroud of turin but you said

1048
00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:28,400
that this is even

1049
00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:30,640
more of an amazing image

1050
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:34,960
than the shroud well it is because uh

1051
00:41:39,670 --> 00:41:36,000
well

1052
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:39,680
it is because of of the duration of them

1053
00:41:45,030 --> 00:41:41,680
well the shroud of terrain has not been

1054
00:41:46,870 --> 00:41:45,040
made as as available it has some but not

1055
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:46,880
with the uh

1056
00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:49,040
you know ease of availability as being

1057
00:41:53,109 --> 00:41:50,800
in mexico where you know our scientists

1058
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:53,119
can just run on down there and all that

1059
00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:54,640
i mean the shrubs are in yes it's been

1060
00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:56,560
examined and there's that's miraculous

1061
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:58,560
item as well but

1062
00:42:02,550 --> 00:42:00,640
what i'm saying is that uh this has been

1063
00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:02,560
studied a lot more because of its

1064
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:03,920
availability

1065
00:42:06,150 --> 00:42:05,200
and also

1066
00:42:09,030 --> 00:42:06,160
uh

1067
00:42:11,349 --> 00:42:09,040
well there's just a lot of things to it

1068
00:42:13,829 --> 00:42:11,359
once again the physical properties of it

1069
00:42:16,309 --> 00:42:13,839
itself where it hasn't deteriorated but

1070
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:16,319
like i was saying for the first 350

1071
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:19,119
years it was exposed to smoke heat you

1072
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:21,520
know mexico would be hot and cold and

1073
00:42:26,950 --> 00:42:24,960
this and that and uh even survive smoke

1074
00:42:28,950 --> 00:42:26,960
in the church and everything else

1075
00:42:31,109 --> 00:42:28,960
and it's relatively pristine shape and

1076
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:31,119
you could go down there and view it

1077
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:32,480
right now or else look it up with a

1078
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:34,400
computer and view it

1079
00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:37,040
you know but in that mechanism

1080
00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:38,800
and there's no way

1081
00:42:44,309 --> 00:42:41,440
it should have survived as material that

1082
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:44,319
long not not 500 years now not even

1083
00:42:49,589 --> 00:42:46,400
faded

1084
00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:49,599
wow that is so wild you know i read that

1085
00:42:54,550 --> 00:42:52,240
was the most uh visited

1086
00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:54,560
pilgrimage site in the world

1087
00:43:00,150 --> 00:42:56,720
20 million a year

1088
00:43:01,750 --> 00:43:00,160
that is amazing

1089
00:43:02,950 --> 00:43:01,760
and you know they also i had a show

1090
00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:02,960
recently

1091
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:04,480
this is a little bit of a departure from

1092
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:06,560
the apparitions but this is a similar

1093
00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:07,680
thing

1094
00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:10,720
is that eucharistic miracles are just as

1095
00:43:15,109 --> 00:43:12,640
well studied

1096
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:15,119
where the you know they have like the

1097
00:43:19,670 --> 00:43:16,880
wafers the communion wafers that would

1098
00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:19,680
turn red with blood in them

1099
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:20,800
yes

1100
00:43:24,790 --> 00:43:22,720
they've been studied galore

1101
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:24,800
and it's always a b positive and it's

1102
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:26,480
always blood someone that was going

1103
00:43:31,829 --> 00:43:28,880
through physical stress

1104
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:31,839
and uh this has happened time and time

1105
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:33,599
and time again and this is actual living

1106
00:43:36,630 --> 00:43:34,560
tissue

1107
00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:36,640
that has not been like you know it isn't

1108
00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:38,000
like you had some blood you just slapped

1109
00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:39,760
it on a wafer no this is coming from

1110
00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:41,599
inside the wafer there's no way for this

1111
00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:43,760
to happen

1112
00:43:46,870 --> 00:43:45,280
i just had a show on that about three

1113
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:46,880
weeks ago

1114
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:48,400
but

1115
00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:52,079
hardcore physical stuff that you know

1116
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:54,400
the best physicist from mit would say

1117
00:43:57,990 --> 00:43:55,680
yeah you got it

1118
00:44:00,790 --> 00:43:58,000
i think you know sandhya labs hires the

1119
00:44:02,630 --> 00:44:00,800
best bar none

1120
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:02,640
and uh no

1121
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:05,520
this is real stuff here and uh

1122
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:06,480
you know

1123
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:08,640
that's one say that someone would say oh

1124
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:10,319
kevin you were imagining the feeling of

1125
00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:12,240
a chill as you're going out putting on

1126
00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:14,480
the holy water yeah yeah yeah i mean you

1127
00:44:18,550 --> 00:44:16,400
know i've been in knife fights uh swum

1128
00:44:21,829 --> 00:44:18,560
with sharks uh

1129
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:21,839
you know all kinds of battles and all

1130
00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:23,280
you know i'm not going to be rocked by

1131
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:25,839
uh you know walking around a shrine i

1132
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:27,119
mean unless there's something really

1133
00:44:31,349 --> 00:44:29,040
good going on there i mean you know

1134
00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:31,359
pretty well you go pretty go to the

1135
00:44:35,670 --> 00:44:33,839
roanoke valley in virginia or shenandoah

1136
00:44:37,270 --> 00:44:35,680
valley and it's pretty but this edit

1137
00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:37,280
like we were talking earlier had a feel

1138
00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:38,880
that was totally different than just

1139
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:40,480
being pretty

1140
00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:43,920
this this was this was this was holy and

1141
00:44:49,109 --> 00:44:45,920
it had it's a specific feel that is

1142
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:50,150
wow

1143
00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:52,160
well that's that's really well you know

1144
00:44:55,829 --> 00:44:54,880
some of the more recent sightings that

1145
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:55,839
uh

1146
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:00,720
when well not when they started in

1147
00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:03,359
medjugorje in bosnia but

1148
00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:06,960
but later on and i know that uh you know

1149
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:09,280
according to the church i think the

1150
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:12,480
original sightings um

1151
00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:13,520
they are

1152
00:45:17,910 --> 00:45:16,319
you know very very interested in and and

1153
00:45:19,990 --> 00:45:17,920
believe those are authentic but then

1154
00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:20,000
later some of the things that sprang up

1155
00:45:22,950 --> 00:45:21,680
out of it i guess you know people were

1156
00:45:25,750 --> 00:45:22,960
probably

1157
00:45:27,510 --> 00:45:25,760
uh making it into a cottage industry or

1158
00:45:29,349 --> 00:45:27,520
something well i know i know what you're

1159
00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:29,359
saying there has been some question of

1160
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:30,960
that but then now the church seems to be

1161
00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:34,000
going the other way with it i mean uh

1162
00:45:37,990 --> 00:45:36,160
i'm the local bishop in medjugorje was

1163
00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:38,000
negative on the apparitions for a long

1164
00:45:41,349 --> 00:45:39,119
time

1165
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:41,359
and some people have

1166
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:42,960
you know brought up the issue golly has

1167
00:45:46,710 --> 00:45:44,640
been going on for so long and most

1168
00:45:47,670 --> 00:45:46,720
apparitional events are pretty short you

1169
00:45:51,030 --> 00:45:47,680
know

1170
00:45:53,670 --> 00:45:51,040
i mean if i remember correctly uh

1171
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:53,680
just about a six or seven month interval

1172
00:45:58,870 --> 00:45:56,800
for uh lourdes she would come every 13th

1173
00:46:00,870 --> 00:45:58,880
of the month if i remember correctly

1174
00:46:02,950 --> 00:46:00,880
and but it didn't go on for multi multi

1175
00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:02,960
years now the britannia did go on for

1176
00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:04,880
several years in venezuela but nothing

1177
00:46:09,030 --> 00:46:07,520
like the 30 years medjugorje

1178
00:46:11,349 --> 00:46:09,040
has been going on

1179
00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:11,359
but the latest the latest trend in the

1180
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:13,440
church has actually been very much in

1181
00:46:17,589 --> 00:46:16,400
favor of medjugorjes i mean i don't know

1182
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:17,599
the church is

1183
00:46:22,870 --> 00:46:19,920
terribly laborious

1184
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:22,880
in its approval of these apparitions i

1185
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:23,680
mean

1186
00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:25,680
the one in wisconsin our lady of good

1187
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:26,560
help

1188
00:46:30,950 --> 00:46:28,400
was approved after

1189
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:30,960
oh my goodness years and years and years

1190
00:46:35,430 --> 00:46:32,960
decades and decades and you're figuring

1191
00:46:37,750 --> 00:46:35,440
great scott what's what's the deal here

1192
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:37,760
but the church uh

1193
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:39,599
the church just takes its time it just

1194
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:42,000
goes

1195
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:44,720
i can't explain the exact uh

1196
00:46:49,510 --> 00:46:47,520
well it's just i think it's very similar

1197
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:49,520
to academia in

1198
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:51,680
other fields like archaeology and in

1199
00:46:55,910 --> 00:46:53,280
science you know

1200
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:55,920
it's a lot of times the information is

1201
00:47:01,589 --> 00:46:58,800
out there a lot longer you know a long

1202
00:47:04,069 --> 00:47:01,599
time before it's actually accepted

1203
00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:04,079
because you know they have such strict

1204
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:06,079
guidelines they can't you know call it

1205
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:08,160
until they're absolutely sure so it's

1206
00:47:12,069 --> 00:47:09,599
probably something

1207
00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:12,079
something like that they don't want to

1208
00:47:18,309 --> 00:47:15,599
uh declare something and then have it

1209
00:47:21,430 --> 00:47:18,319
you know come out later to be a hoax and

1210
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:21,440
then you know paint the other uh

1211
00:47:25,589 --> 00:47:24,000
real sightings you know the real events

1212
00:47:28,230 --> 00:47:25,599
with the same brush i mean i think that

1213
00:47:29,589 --> 00:47:28,240
happens a lot in in just about every

1214
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:29,599
area

1215
00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:30,640
you know it

1216
00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:34,160
you know the hoaxers and and the frauds

1217
00:47:36,950 --> 00:47:35,040
will

1218
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:36,960
you know sometimes paint everything in

1219
00:47:40,550 --> 00:47:38,880
that subject area with a bad light and

1220
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:40,560
i'm sure that's why they're practicing

1221
00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:42,480
in over abundance of cars

1222
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:44,800
i'm sure that's it another they have had

1223
00:47:48,870 --> 00:47:46,160
one uh

1224
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:48,880
bayside new york in the 70s or 80s that

1225
00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:49,680
was

1226
00:47:53,910 --> 00:47:51,520
found to be a hoax and

1227
00:47:55,030 --> 00:47:53,920
there's a that in the marion apparition

1228
00:47:56,309 --> 00:47:55,040
uh

1229
00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:56,319
the international american research is

1230
00:47:59,750 --> 00:47:57,839
to let me uh

1231
00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:59,760
use some of their index in the book as

1232
00:48:01,829 --> 00:48:00,640
far as

1233
00:48:03,190 --> 00:48:01,839
the sightings

1234
00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:03,200
and uh

1235
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:05,680
what it amounts to is

1236
00:48:08,950 --> 00:48:07,920
only 13 have been approved by the whole

1237
00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:08,960
church

1238
00:48:12,870 --> 00:48:10,160
there's been more that have been

1239
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:12,880
approved by a local bishop who will call

1240
00:48:16,230 --> 00:48:14,640
it what's considered worthy of devotion

1241
00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:16,240
that's in other words the whole church

1242
00:48:21,349 --> 00:48:18,640
you know didn't rule out just the local

1243
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:21,359
bishop necessarily so this but of all

1244
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:22,720
those

1245
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:24,480
any kind of church nod towards its

1246
00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:26,720
authenticity you're talking just

1247
00:48:33,270 --> 00:48:30,000
you know a couple dozen out of uh

1248
00:48:35,109 --> 00:48:33,280
foul a couple thousand so they're

1249
00:48:37,349 --> 00:48:35,119
they're painfully

1250
00:48:40,150 --> 00:48:37,359
conservative in what they they approve

1251
00:48:46,150 --> 00:48:43,670
yeah absolutely and um

1252
00:48:49,750 --> 00:48:46,160
now i i did read that you know as you

1253
00:48:52,150 --> 00:48:49,760
said they do take seriously the original

1254
00:48:55,270 --> 00:48:52,160
sightings i'm not sure how far those

1255
00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:55,280
extended the original uh people but i

1256
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:56,800
think it was just the later ones that

1257
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:58,480
they're now questioning which you know

1258
00:49:01,750 --> 00:49:00,240
maybe they should

1259
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:01,760
but well it has gone on for quite a

1260
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:04,160
while it is kind of

1261
00:49:07,829 --> 00:49:06,400
you know not you know it's just kind of

1262
00:49:08,630 --> 00:49:07,839
strange

1263
00:49:12,549 --> 00:49:08,640
yeah

1264
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:12,559
and um

1265
00:49:17,109 --> 00:49:14,640
you know we've talked about oh you know

1266
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:17,119
i i ask you you know earlier on i said

1267
00:49:20,950 --> 00:49:18,319
you know there

1268
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:20,960
there seems to be a lot of experiences

1269
00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:22,640
like that especially

1270
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:25,760
uh surrounding you know uh catholicism

1271
00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:28,800
in france you know we had bernadette and

1272
00:49:34,390 --> 00:49:30,800
then um

1273
00:49:36,790 --> 00:49:34,400
our lady of la salette

1274
00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:36,800
was another story uh

1275
00:49:41,430 --> 00:49:39,359
from france uh would you share a little

1276
00:49:43,349 --> 00:49:41,440
bit about her

1277
00:49:45,670 --> 00:49:43,359
well let's see uh

1278
00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:45,680
that's not one of my uh

1279
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:47,920
yeah i wrote i wrote my favorites

1280
00:49:52,069 --> 00:49:50,480
well it's not it's i'm not saying it's

1281
00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:52,079
anything negative towards it but it's

1282
00:49:55,670 --> 00:49:53,920
not uh

1283
00:49:58,630 --> 00:49:55,680
not one of my uh

1284
00:50:00,870 --> 00:49:58,640
more commonly studied ones but there was

1285
00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:00,880
uh actually

1286
00:50:04,710 --> 00:50:03,920
this was in the 1800s also

1287
00:50:05,430 --> 00:50:04,720
right

1288
00:50:07,990 --> 00:50:05,440
well

1289
00:50:10,630 --> 00:50:08,000
catherine labor uh

1290
00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:10,640
was connected with a miraculous medal

1291
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:14,400
that happened in burgundy france in 1806

1292
00:50:17,990 --> 00:50:15,760
and uh

1293
00:50:19,990 --> 00:50:18,000
she she i'm more familiar with that one

1294
00:50:21,670 --> 00:50:20,000
actually but uh

1295
00:50:24,549 --> 00:50:21,680
she was actually

1296
00:50:28,710 --> 00:50:24,559
what year was that was catherine

1297
00:50:30,790 --> 00:50:28,720
uh she was born in 1806. oh okay

1298
00:50:34,950 --> 00:50:30,800
and burgundy france

1299
00:50:36,630 --> 00:50:34,960
and uh she she became a sister

1300
00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:36,640
and uh

1301
00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:38,960
she actually uh

1302
00:50:43,990 --> 00:50:41,680
had an apparition of jesus

1303
00:50:47,430 --> 00:50:44,000
and an angel and uh

1304
00:50:49,109 --> 00:50:47,440
eventually the virgin mary and uh

1305
00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:49,119
the verse mary uh

1306
00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:51,359
said my child the good god wishes to

1307
00:50:54,069 --> 00:50:52,559
charge you with a mission you'll be

1308
00:50:55,510 --> 00:50:54,079
tormented until you've told him who is

1309
00:50:57,109 --> 00:50:55,520
directing you

1310
00:50:58,710 --> 00:50:57,119
tell with confidence all that passes

1311
00:51:00,710 --> 00:50:58,720
with you tell it simply in other words

1312
00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:00,720
she's basically telling me to go

1313
00:51:03,990 --> 00:51:03,200
describe what you saw

1314
00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:04,000
and

1315
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:10,640
there was a

1316
00:51:14,549 --> 00:51:12,480
it's what's called the miraculous medal

1317
00:51:17,670 --> 00:51:14,559
it's an image that the

1318
00:51:19,510 --> 00:51:17,680
uh virgin mary gave to uh

1319
00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:19,520
catherine labour

1320
00:51:24,790 --> 00:51:22,720
to have a metal struck with that image

1321
00:51:26,950 --> 00:51:24,800
and i've got one over

1322
00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:26,960
you know about three feet from me

1323
00:51:29,349 --> 00:51:28,160
and

1324
00:51:31,829 --> 00:51:29,359
basically

1325
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:31,839
the virgin mary als what she will do is

1326
00:51:34,829 --> 00:51:33,760
come to your assistance

1327
00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:34,839
and different

1328
00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:37,440
issues and uh

1329
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:38,640
that's that was

1330
00:51:43,750 --> 00:51:41,280
essentially the uh

1331
00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:43,760
the apparitional uh

1332
00:51:49,030 --> 00:51:46,880
background of the loss of the uh

1333
00:51:52,230 --> 00:51:49,040
catholic laborers now la salette

1334
00:51:53,670 --> 00:51:52,240
happened in 1846

1335
00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:53,680
and uh

1336
00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:55,920
in the town of core like like marine

1337
00:52:03,190 --> 00:52:01,270
uh in the french alps

1338
00:52:06,630 --> 00:52:03,200
and let's see she appeared to some

1339
00:52:08,870 --> 00:52:06,640
children now that one thing about it is

1340
00:52:11,589 --> 00:52:08,880
she's appeared to others but she likes

1341
00:52:13,510 --> 00:52:11,599
appearing to peasant children children

1342
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:13,520
children yep

1343
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:15,599
uh now she now juan diego of course was

1344
00:52:21,589 --> 00:52:18,240
an older

1345
00:52:24,390 --> 00:52:21,599
but uh for the most part uh like in uh

1346
00:52:27,109 --> 00:52:24,400
lourdes bernadette was young and uh

1347
00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:27,119
yeah i think she was she was about 16 i

1348
00:52:32,950 --> 00:52:29,760
think and it's funny that you mentioned

1349
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:32,960
um the uh our lady of guadalupe story

1350
00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:35,520
because that is what struck me uh when i

1351
00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:37,520
was reading your book

1352
00:52:41,829 --> 00:52:40,079
i thought oh it's a guy you know

1353
00:52:43,349 --> 00:52:41,839
and i had forgotten the story i

1354
00:52:45,750 --> 00:52:43,359
remembered

1355
00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:45,760
the deal about the roses but i didn't

1356
00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:48,240
remember that it was a man that uh

1357
00:52:53,510 --> 00:52:50,400
that she had appeared to that that had

1358
00:52:55,109 --> 00:52:53,520
the roses in his sort of cape

1359
00:52:57,030 --> 00:52:55,119
uh

1360
00:52:59,109 --> 00:52:57,040
i i for some reason i remembered it

1361
00:53:00,870 --> 00:52:59,119
differently but it did strike me because

1362
00:53:04,150 --> 00:53:00,880
it does seem like

1363
00:53:07,430 --> 00:53:04,160
uh she does like children a lot of times

1364
00:53:10,549 --> 00:53:07,440
it seems like they're girls um but not

1365
00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:10,559
always certainly not always

1366
00:53:16,549 --> 00:53:14,400
well it's it's really striking and uh i

1367
00:53:18,549 --> 00:53:16,559
i guess uh of course she's perhaps drawn

1368
00:53:21,109 --> 00:53:18,559
to their innocence or whatever

1369
00:53:22,790 --> 00:53:21,119
but now understand it fatima

1370
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:22,800
because the government was antagonistic

1371
00:53:26,710 --> 00:53:24,640
they they try to put all kinds of heat

1372
00:53:28,790 --> 00:53:26,720
on these children to recap their story

1373
00:53:30,470 --> 00:53:28,800
and yeah listen that other and try to

1374
00:53:31,829 --> 00:53:30,480
threaten them and of course they didn't

1375
00:53:34,150 --> 00:53:31,839
back down but

1376
00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:34,160
but what i'm saying is uh the government

1377
00:53:39,190 --> 00:53:36,720
uh was completely thwarted

1378
00:53:42,150 --> 00:53:39,200
because like i say they said journalists

1379
00:53:44,309 --> 00:53:42,160
in there that were to write a you know a

1380
00:53:46,950 --> 00:53:44,319
slamming piece on it or whatever

1381
00:53:48,870 --> 00:53:46,960
that debunking piece and they all came

1382
00:53:51,270 --> 00:53:48,880
back converted so that

1383
00:53:52,230 --> 00:53:51,280
that i was kind of happy with that

1384
00:53:55,510 --> 00:53:52,240
but

1385
00:53:58,309 --> 00:53:55,520
there's been so many of these it's the

1386
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:58,319
the one and bavaria is under study now

1387
00:54:02,630 --> 00:54:00,240
and you know as slow as they are i may

1388
00:54:05,109 --> 00:54:02,640
not live but here here's your results we

1389
00:54:07,109 --> 00:54:05,119
might not be around to see that one

1390
00:54:08,549 --> 00:54:07,119
but i want to ask you a quick question

1391
00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:08,559
before we go to break and then i do want

1392
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:10,480
to talk about bavaria because it is

1393
00:54:14,390 --> 00:54:12,960
ongoing and i also want to talk about

1394
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:14,400
other things that may be going on that

1395
00:54:17,670 --> 00:54:15,760
you've heard about

1396
00:54:20,309 --> 00:54:17,680
about continuing

1397
00:54:22,470 --> 00:54:20,319
i guess we could call them miracles i i

1398
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:22,480
think oh you know

1399
00:54:28,230 --> 00:54:25,200
that's what else could we call them uh

1400
00:54:31,349 --> 00:54:28,240
but in the uh in the chat room folks at

1401
00:54:33,589 --> 00:54:31,359
uh iron ironchat.com

1402
00:54:36,870 --> 00:54:33,599
if you want to take a peek i posted a

1403
00:54:38,950 --> 00:54:36,880
picture that uh i found on the internet

1404
00:54:41,750 --> 00:54:38,960
of the fatima

1405
00:54:43,990 --> 00:54:41,760
sighting and i i wanted to ask you kevin

1406
00:54:46,630 --> 00:54:44,000
if you know if that's a genuine

1407
00:54:49,030 --> 00:54:46,640
uh photograph it's a photograph of a

1408
00:54:51,349 --> 00:54:49,040
crowd of a huge crowd of people and you

1409
00:54:53,589 --> 00:54:51,359
can see the sun and it looks sort of

1410
00:54:56,790 --> 00:54:53,599
like it's doing some wild things it sort

1411
00:55:00,710 --> 00:54:56,800
of looks like it's spiral almost yes yes

1412
00:55:03,190 --> 00:55:00,720
uh that the sun did uh

1413
00:55:05,109 --> 00:55:03,200
supposedly uh

1414
00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:05,119
you know move around the sky in an

1415
00:55:09,109 --> 00:55:07,040
abnormal fashion yes

1416
00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:09,119
there were some uh

1417
00:55:14,069 --> 00:55:11,440
some kind of phenomenology towards it

1418
00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:14,079
uh what happened was the crowd was

1419
00:55:18,790 --> 00:55:16,720
staring because if i remember that photo

1420
00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:18,800
the crowd was staring and

1421
00:55:21,670 --> 00:55:20,160
that was about the time that their

1422
00:55:22,950 --> 00:55:21,680
clothes dried out if i remember

1423
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:22,960
correctly

1424
00:55:26,309 --> 00:55:24,720
hmm

1425
00:55:28,630 --> 00:55:26,319
but yes

1426
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:28,640
it's an amazing image if that's a real

1427
00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:31,520
image that is absolutely

1428
00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:33,119
amazing

1429
00:55:37,190 --> 00:55:34,640
some of the photos i've seen have been

1430
00:55:39,190 --> 00:55:37,200
people were staring in like in absolute

1431
00:55:40,870 --> 00:55:39,200
awe and like their jaw dropping aw

1432
00:55:42,710 --> 00:55:40,880
whatever they were staring at in the sky

1433
00:55:44,790 --> 00:55:42,720
i didn't get it i didn't get a picture

1434
00:55:50,630 --> 00:55:44,800
of the celestial object

1435
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:53,670
yeah and that's kind of hard to fake

1436
00:55:58,150 --> 00:55:56,160
i it is hard to fake and you know the

1437
00:55:59,430 --> 00:55:58,160
thing that's not you know kind of

1438
00:56:00,630 --> 00:55:59,440
asinine

1439
00:56:03,109 --> 00:56:00,640
is people

1440
00:56:03,990 --> 00:56:03,119
people will say oh it was a ufo oh come

1441
00:56:06,470 --> 00:56:04,000
on

1442
00:56:08,549 --> 00:56:06,480
i mean you know

1443
00:56:10,710 --> 00:56:08,559
mostly

1444
00:56:13,910 --> 00:56:10,720
what i was wondering is that

1445
00:56:16,789 --> 00:56:13,920
not a ufo but it was but maybe

1446
00:56:18,549 --> 00:56:16,799
was that really the sun or was that the

1447
00:56:21,190 --> 00:56:18,559
apparition and they just it was so

1448
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:21,200
bright they thought it was the sun

1449
00:56:25,349 --> 00:56:23,440
now that i don't know i don't yeah in

1450
00:56:26,950 --> 00:56:25,359
all honesty i don't know it looks like

1451
00:56:28,789 --> 00:56:26,960
so many people i've talked to when i've

1452
00:56:31,349 --> 00:56:28,799
done interviews oh that was a ufo well

1453
00:56:34,069 --> 00:56:31,359
come on there's been no there's now at

1454
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:34,079
britannia they did have celestial

1455
00:56:39,030 --> 00:56:37,440
uh experiences like that where uh you

1456
00:56:40,789 --> 00:56:39,040
know the sun would seem to dance in the

1457
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:40,799
sky and stuff but that they never didn't

1458
00:56:45,430 --> 00:56:43,440
see flying saucers if you will

1459
00:56:47,589 --> 00:56:45,440
and uh this most most of this

1460
00:56:49,510 --> 00:56:47,599
phenomenology is the virgin mary's

1461
00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:49,520
talking to you like standing right next

1462
00:56:52,710 --> 00:56:51,040
to you i mean it's not

1463
00:56:53,990 --> 00:56:52,720
you know like bernadette it's not like

1464
00:56:55,750 --> 00:56:54,000
um

1465
00:56:59,270 --> 00:56:55,760
you know she's thriving in a spaceship

1466
00:57:02,230 --> 00:56:59,280
with uh ray guns or something and uh

1467
00:57:04,309 --> 00:57:02,240
all i'm saying is there's a tendency in

1468
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:04,319
this field to try to

1469
00:57:09,430 --> 00:57:07,200
so ufo obsessed and try to throw ufos

1470
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:09,440
into all these different issues and

1471
00:57:13,349 --> 00:57:12,480
it doesn't apply no

1472
00:57:15,430 --> 00:57:13,359
right

1473
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:15,440
well i think people are

1474
00:57:20,069 --> 00:57:19,200
trying to rationalize an explanation and

1475
00:57:24,390 --> 00:57:20,079
you know

1476
00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:24,400
ufo field a lot of people are

1477
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:25,200
uh

1478
00:57:29,109 --> 00:57:26,400
that you know

1479
00:57:31,589 --> 00:57:29,119
they do have to take to do the ufo test

1480
00:57:34,710 --> 00:57:31,599
i think yeah

1481
00:57:36,789 --> 00:57:34,720
make sure it's not a ufo but anyhow you

1482
00:57:38,309 --> 00:57:36,799
know we're right down to uh time for

1483
00:57:40,710 --> 00:57:38,319
another quick break

1484
00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:40,720
and when we come back let's talk about

1485
00:57:46,309 --> 00:57:44,000
what's going on right now in terms of

1486
00:57:48,549 --> 00:57:46,319
marian sightings and also i know you

1487
00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:48,559
wrote about some jesus sightings uh in

1488
00:57:51,589 --> 00:57:50,000
the book as well i'd like to talk a

1489
00:57:53,510 --> 00:57:51,599
little bit about that

1490
00:57:55,910 --> 00:57:53,520
but before we go to break i want to

1491
00:57:57,109 --> 00:57:55,920
remind everybody to go to

1492
00:57:59,030 --> 00:57:57,119
uh

1493
00:58:02,789 --> 00:57:59,040
kevin's website

1494
00:58:05,829 --> 00:58:02,799
and uh it is kevincookshow.com

1495
00:58:07,510 --> 00:58:05,839
and have a look order the book and uh

1496
00:58:10,150 --> 00:58:07,520
you'll see a lot more information there

1497
00:58:10,950 --> 00:58:10,160
about what kevin does so go there and

1498
00:58:13,030 --> 00:58:10,960
when

1499
00:58:15,910 --> 00:58:13,040
we come back we'll have more with kevin

1500
00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:17,430
hey thanks for hanging in there with us

1501
00:58:21,670 --> 00:58:19,200
on here on night vision if you're just

1502
00:58:25,030 --> 00:58:21,680
joining us i'm your host renee barnett

1503
00:58:27,510 --> 00:58:25,040
with me tonight is kevin cook he is a an

1504
00:58:28,309 --> 00:58:27,520
iron host of his own show the kevin cook

1505
00:58:30,870 --> 00:58:28,319
show

1506
00:58:32,510 --> 00:58:30,880
uh also uh you can find out more about

1507
00:58:36,069 --> 00:58:32,520
him if you go to

1508
00:58:38,549 --> 00:58:36,079
kevincookshow.com so check them out and

1509
00:58:42,390 --> 00:58:38,559
listen to his show on tuesday evenings

1510
00:58:44,630 --> 00:58:42,400
at 8 p.m central 9 pm eastern time

1511
00:58:46,870 --> 00:58:44,640
now we've been talking about marion

1512
00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:46,880
apparitions and

1513
00:58:50,950 --> 00:58:48,480
a lot of these

1514
00:58:53,109 --> 00:58:50,960
not all of them have been in the

1515
00:58:55,670 --> 00:58:53,119
in the distant into the near distant to

1516
00:58:58,309 --> 00:58:55,680
the far distant past but there are those

1517
00:58:59,349 --> 00:58:58,319
that are going on right now even as we

1518
00:59:01,750 --> 00:58:59,359
speak

1519
00:59:04,470 --> 00:59:01,760
so i know you're talking about one that

1520
00:59:05,829 --> 00:59:04,480
is being investigated right now by the

1521
00:59:07,510 --> 00:59:05,839
church

1522
00:59:09,829 --> 00:59:07,520
to

1523
00:59:11,750 --> 00:59:09,839
figure out whether it's a legitimate

1524
00:59:14,150 --> 00:59:11,760
miraculous sighting

1525
00:59:16,630 --> 00:59:14,160
and that's in bavaria could you tell us

1526
00:59:19,349 --> 00:59:16,640
a little bit about that story

1527
00:59:21,190 --> 00:59:19,359
well it there's not much that's been

1528
00:59:22,549 --> 00:59:21,200
divulged on it

1529
00:59:24,030 --> 00:59:22,559
to this point there's been a couple of

1530
00:59:26,309 --> 00:59:24,040
oddball things that i've read on

1531
00:59:28,069 --> 00:59:26,319
spiritdaily.com which is a

1532
00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:28,079
you know kind of updating source that

1533
00:59:31,510 --> 00:59:29,200
keeps you

1534
00:59:32,470 --> 00:59:31,520
up you know gives late-breaking news if

1535
00:59:34,870 --> 00:59:32,480
you will

1536
00:59:36,470 --> 00:59:34,880
but what's happened is

1537
00:59:38,150 --> 00:59:36,480
uh

1538
00:59:39,670 --> 00:59:38,160
this guy's a seer over there i don't

1539
00:59:41,190 --> 00:59:39,680
have his name right in front of me that

1540
00:59:43,589 --> 00:59:41,200
you know with all the details but it's

1541
00:59:45,829 --> 00:59:43,599
in a rural area in bavaria

1542
00:59:47,829 --> 00:59:45,839
and what happened is he's had several

1543
00:59:50,150 --> 00:59:47,839
different events kind of like the megi

1544
00:59:52,630 --> 00:59:50,160
gory thing where he's ostensibly having

1545
00:59:55,190 --> 00:59:52,640
an apparition the virgin mary and he's

1546
00:59:57,510 --> 00:59:55,200
talking through this this fella

1547
01:00:00,069 --> 00:59:57,520
but here's what did happen

1548
01:00:01,670 --> 01:00:00,079
is that they're recently about two weeks

1549
01:00:03,190 --> 01:00:01,680
ago there's about a thousand people in

1550
01:00:05,750 --> 01:00:03,200
attendance

1551
01:00:07,670 --> 01:00:05,760
and hundreds of them experienced the

1552
01:00:09,589 --> 01:00:07,680
odor of sanctity

1553
01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:09,599
uh at that event

1554
01:00:13,510 --> 01:00:11,200
similar to why i experienced it in

1555
01:00:16,150 --> 01:00:13,520
oresville new york and people have it

1556
01:00:17,109 --> 01:00:16,160
other marian apparitions britannias and

1557
01:00:20,150 --> 01:00:17,119
others

1558
01:00:23,030 --> 01:00:20,160
and um but they experienced it in math

1559
01:00:25,349 --> 01:00:23,040
like uh like all at the same time there

1560
01:00:27,430 --> 01:00:25,359
was a lot of people at the same event

1561
01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:27,440
that is interesting

1562
01:00:31,750 --> 01:00:29,040
and also there was another bit of

1563
01:00:35,990 --> 01:00:31,760
phenomenology that happened there

1564
01:00:38,789 --> 01:00:37,349
there were some demons that were

1565
01:00:40,309 --> 01:00:38,799
supposedly working through people and

1566
01:00:44,309 --> 01:00:40,319
trying to

1567
01:00:46,630 --> 01:00:44,319
curse and carry on and mary shut him up

1568
01:00:48,789 --> 01:00:46,640
supposedly i mean i don't have all the

1569
01:00:51,390 --> 01:00:48,799
you know one two three

1570
01:00:54,150 --> 01:00:51,400
uh details of that but it was on

1571
01:00:55,829 --> 01:00:54,160
spiritdaily.com but supposedly some uh

1572
01:00:57,349 --> 01:00:55,839
there were some events where people were

1573
01:00:58,789 --> 01:00:57,359
bothered by demons and demons were

1574
01:01:00,789 --> 01:00:58,799
talking through them

1575
01:01:01,990 --> 01:01:00,799
and mary got rid of them

1576
01:01:04,309 --> 01:01:02,000
and um

1577
01:01:06,069 --> 01:01:04,319
there's an antipathy between mary

1578
01:01:07,829 --> 01:01:06,079
there's imagery

1579
01:01:09,589 --> 01:01:07,839
in the bible about how

1580
01:01:11,910 --> 01:01:09,599
the woman will crush the devil's head

1581
01:01:14,549 --> 01:01:11,920
and this kind of thing some antipathy

1582
01:01:15,750 --> 01:01:14,559
with her and satan and and there is and

1583
01:01:18,549 --> 01:01:15,760
uh

1584
01:01:21,349 --> 01:01:18,559
the feedback from exorcists

1585
01:01:23,510 --> 01:01:21,359
is that they're i i i can't explain the

1586
01:01:26,230 --> 01:01:23,520
why of it is they're terrified of the

1587
01:01:27,829 --> 01:01:26,240
virgin mary and i don't know why

1588
01:01:28,870 --> 01:01:27,839
i mean the demons

1589
01:01:31,030 --> 01:01:28,880
yeah

1590
01:01:33,349 --> 01:01:31,040
i mean it's a real deal and the rosary

1591
01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:33,359
is a very powerful tool most exorcists

1592
01:01:35,910 --> 01:01:35,040
will say the rosary is a very powerful

1593
01:01:38,069 --> 01:01:35,920
tool

1594
01:01:40,630 --> 01:01:38,079
and being free of of uh

1595
01:01:41,829 --> 01:01:40,640
demonic possession if you will

1596
01:01:43,349 --> 01:01:41,839
and uh

1597
01:01:45,510 --> 01:01:43,359
so in other words there's all kinds of

1598
01:01:48,230 --> 01:01:45,520
stuff going on at this bavarian

1599
01:01:50,230 --> 01:01:48,240
apparitional site the vatican does have

1600
01:01:52,789 --> 01:01:50,240
an observer there and you know the all

1601
01:01:53,990 --> 01:01:52,799
these details like the order of sanctity

1602
01:01:55,510 --> 01:01:54,000
and the demon

1603
01:01:57,510 --> 01:01:55,520
aspect to it

1604
01:01:58,549 --> 01:01:57,520
has been uh

1605
01:02:00,390 --> 01:01:58,559
reported

1606
01:02:03,430 --> 01:02:00,400
and that you know mary got rid of the

1607
01:02:04,710 --> 01:02:03,440
demons essentially but uh so

1608
01:02:06,549 --> 01:02:04,720
how did

1609
01:02:08,710 --> 01:02:06,559
if you know i know the details are

1610
01:02:11,190 --> 01:02:08,720
sketchy because they're probably keeping

1611
01:02:12,230 --> 01:02:11,200
it pretty well under wraps for a while

1612
01:02:13,270 --> 01:02:12,240
but

1613
01:02:20,549 --> 01:02:13,280
when

1614
01:02:23,109 --> 01:02:20,559
made manifest there and you said people

1615
01:02:25,430 --> 01:02:23,119
were talking in these you know probably

1616
01:02:27,510 --> 01:02:25,440
horrible voices and you know demonic

1617
01:02:29,910 --> 01:02:27,520
sounding voices and things like that and

1618
01:02:32,390 --> 01:02:29,920
then what was the actual

1619
01:02:35,829 --> 01:02:32,400
experience that happened

1620
01:02:38,789 --> 01:02:35,839
to uh free them of that

1621
01:02:40,470 --> 01:02:38,799
well uh the syria base uh it wasn't via

1622
01:02:42,150 --> 01:02:40,480
the seer but somehow the sears said that

1623
01:02:43,829 --> 01:02:42,160
mary's gonna get rid of these demons and

1624
01:02:45,510 --> 01:02:43,839
and she did and there was a bunch of

1625
01:02:47,750 --> 01:02:45,520
writhing around and everybody was back

1626
01:02:50,390 --> 01:02:47,760
to normal but that's all i really know

1627
01:02:52,630 --> 01:02:50,400
is that it was sketchy i mean i'd

1628
01:02:55,349 --> 01:02:52,640
be happy to elaborate if i could but

1629
01:02:57,510 --> 01:02:55,359
what i read was just very sketchy

1630
01:02:59,030 --> 01:02:57,520
details like that

1631
01:03:01,750 --> 01:02:59,040
yeah yeah

1632
01:03:04,950 --> 01:03:01,760
the the whole uh the whole idea of you

1633
01:03:05,829 --> 01:03:04,960
know demonic possession and exorcisms

1634
01:03:08,789 --> 01:03:05,839
is

1635
01:03:11,750 --> 01:03:08,799
really scary but it's also really

1636
01:03:14,470 --> 01:03:11,760
interesting and it does seem to

1637
01:03:17,190 --> 01:03:14,480
there seems to be some validity to it it

1638
01:03:19,589 --> 01:03:17,200
does seem to happen oh there is i have a

1639
01:03:23,109 --> 01:03:19,599
friend that's a uh

1640
01:03:25,270 --> 01:03:23,119
uh michael sherbert uh he's a uh

1641
01:03:28,150 --> 01:03:25,280
eastern orthodox priest and there's not

1642
01:03:30,470 --> 01:03:28,160
very many exorcists uh

1643
01:03:32,150 --> 01:03:30,480
frankly there's only about 50 exorcists

1644
01:03:35,109 --> 01:03:32,160
in the country that are roman catholics

1645
01:03:36,470 --> 01:03:35,119
perhaps 12 to 15 that are exorcists in

1646
01:03:38,870 --> 01:03:36,480
the eastern orthodox church and there's

1647
01:03:41,589 --> 01:03:38,880
some protestants that do it but

1648
01:03:42,470 --> 01:03:41,599
but uh michael's actually one of the few

1649
01:03:44,470 --> 01:03:42,480
uh

1650
01:03:45,990 --> 01:03:44,480
you know basically full-time exorcists

1651
01:03:47,349 --> 01:03:46,000
in the country

1652
01:03:49,750 --> 01:03:47,359
and uh

1653
01:03:51,670 --> 01:03:49,760
he's been a guest on my show many times

1654
01:03:53,430 --> 01:03:51,680
and uh

1655
01:03:55,349 --> 01:03:53,440
uh it's

1656
01:03:57,109 --> 01:03:55,359
it's it's believe me it's true and

1657
01:03:59,109 --> 01:03:57,119
actually i experienced an exorcism some

1658
01:04:02,069 --> 01:03:59,119
30 years ago

1659
01:04:03,430 --> 01:04:02,079
but oh you did

1660
01:04:07,750 --> 01:04:03,440
and

1661
01:04:10,390 --> 01:04:07,760
at the time uh i was a martial artist

1662
01:04:13,190 --> 01:04:10,400
right and i i was doing kuji curry

1663
01:04:15,990 --> 01:04:13,200
exercises for ninjutsu

1664
01:04:17,990 --> 01:04:16,000
and uh it you know it included

1665
01:04:19,190 --> 01:04:18,000
meditation and stuff and basically what

1666
01:04:20,710 --> 01:04:19,200
you were doing is you're opening

1667
01:04:23,029 --> 01:04:20,720
yourself up to stuff you shouldn't be

1668
01:04:24,470 --> 01:04:23,039
opening yourself up to out of ignorance

1669
01:04:26,470 --> 01:04:24,480
of course i wasn't trying to appeal to

1670
01:04:28,230 --> 01:04:26,480
demons i was just trying to do what the

1671
01:04:30,230 --> 01:04:28,240
instructors said to do as far as the

1672
01:04:32,789 --> 01:04:30,240
meditation and

1673
01:04:34,549 --> 01:04:32,799
but it's very frequent that that will

1674
01:04:37,829 --> 01:04:34,559
happen in

1675
01:04:40,390 --> 01:04:37,839
middle eastern meditation is you'll be

1676
01:04:42,309 --> 01:04:40,400
basically have a walk-in if you will

1677
01:04:44,549 --> 01:04:42,319
and i actually had an exorcism at a

1678
01:04:46,150 --> 01:04:44,559
protestant

1679
01:04:47,990 --> 01:04:46,160
service

1680
01:04:49,990 --> 01:04:48,000
and

1681
01:04:52,150 --> 01:04:50,000
but i mean it wasn't i wasn't doing

1682
01:04:55,109 --> 01:04:52,160
terrible but i i did know i was

1683
01:04:57,829 --> 01:04:55,119
possessed because uh

1684
01:05:00,230 --> 01:04:57,839
well i mean you felt a certain sneering

1685
01:05:02,549 --> 01:05:00,240
arrogance i felt a presence of another

1686
01:05:04,069 --> 01:05:02,559
party and i was actually i went through

1687
01:05:04,950 --> 01:05:04,079
an exorcism and i was fine thereafter

1688
01:05:07,270 --> 01:05:04,960
but

1689
01:05:08,870 --> 01:05:07,280
uh so it wasn't like you were just in a

1690
01:05:10,309 --> 01:05:08,880
bad mood

1691
01:05:13,190 --> 01:05:10,319
you know because i mean sometimes i've

1692
01:05:18,470 --> 01:05:13,200
been kind of sneering and angry you know

1693
01:05:21,589 --> 01:05:19,670
how did it

1694
01:05:23,430 --> 01:05:21,599
that that's fascinating i mean how did

1695
01:05:25,910 --> 01:05:23,440
it feel like

1696
01:05:28,870 --> 01:05:25,920
another presence it felt like someone

1697
01:05:30,789 --> 01:05:28,880
else was making you act that way

1698
01:05:32,069 --> 01:05:30,799
i like riding shotgun with you more than

1699
01:05:34,470 --> 01:05:32,079
anything else

1700
01:05:35,990 --> 01:05:34,480
but it was like like for example what i

1701
01:05:37,430 --> 01:05:36,000
mean this sounds extreme but i'll just

1702
01:05:39,589 --> 01:05:37,440
tell you what happened

1703
01:05:42,069 --> 01:05:39,599
i've always been kind of a

1704
01:05:42,870 --> 01:05:42,079
you know muscular kind of guy

1705
01:05:44,470 --> 01:05:42,880
but

1706
01:05:46,789 --> 01:05:44,480
during this period

1707
01:05:49,589 --> 01:05:46,799
i would go to biker bars in fort worth

1708
01:05:51,750 --> 01:05:49,599
just to pick fights

1709
01:05:53,430 --> 01:05:51,760
and uh

1710
01:05:54,710 --> 01:05:53,440
that's a good place

1711
01:05:56,390 --> 01:05:54,720
for it

1712
01:05:59,029 --> 01:05:56,400
one time this guy was wearing one of

1713
01:06:01,670 --> 01:05:59,039
those muscle t-shirts and i said oh you

1714
01:06:03,430 --> 01:06:01,680
must be real strong and i grabbed his

1715
01:06:05,510 --> 01:06:03,440
his bicep

1716
01:06:07,430 --> 01:06:05,520
so hard he he went to his knees this

1717
01:06:09,750 --> 01:06:07,440
guy's about six three or four

1718
01:06:11,910 --> 01:06:09,760
and i mean you know it was just all

1719
01:06:12,789 --> 01:06:11,920
these little things i was doing

1720
01:06:14,549 --> 01:06:12,799
and

1721
01:06:16,710 --> 01:06:14,559
you could tell yes you could tell you

1722
01:06:17,589 --> 01:06:16,720
some something was riding shotgun with

1723
01:06:18,950 --> 01:06:17,599
you

1724
01:06:20,470 --> 01:06:18,960
and uh

1725
01:06:22,710 --> 01:06:20,480
and you know there were some voices that

1726
01:06:24,950 --> 01:06:22,720
were very strange and stuff

1727
01:06:26,470 --> 01:06:24,960
but you know it didn't last long i after

1728
01:06:28,230 --> 01:06:26,480
about three months i had the exorcism

1729
01:06:29,990 --> 01:06:28,240
and it was over and i'm now i'm up to my

1730
01:06:32,390 --> 01:06:30,000
armpits and holy water and a third-order

1731
01:06:33,910 --> 01:06:32,400
carmelite i'm okay

1732
01:06:35,510 --> 01:06:33,920
but how did you figure how did you

1733
01:06:37,270 --> 01:06:35,520
figure out

1734
01:06:38,549 --> 01:06:37,280
that that's what you needed

1735
01:06:39,829 --> 01:06:38,559
how did you

1736
01:06:41,270 --> 01:06:39,839
well actually was the fella i was

1737
01:06:42,950 --> 01:06:41,280
working with

1738
01:06:45,750 --> 01:06:42,960
that was uh

1739
01:06:47,109 --> 01:06:45,760
spiritually attuned if you will

1740
01:06:49,349 --> 01:06:47,119
he's the one that actually did the

1741
01:06:51,109 --> 01:06:49,359
exorcism

1742
01:06:52,630 --> 01:06:51,119
oh i see

1743
01:06:55,510 --> 01:06:52,640
and he'd done him before and it was a

1744
01:06:57,510 --> 01:06:55,520
real deal was he an episcopal

1745
01:07:00,710 --> 01:06:57,520
no he was actually an event uh

1746
01:07:03,670 --> 01:07:01,990
but uh

1747
01:07:05,510 --> 01:07:03,680
i mean it was a strange experience and

1748
01:07:06,870 --> 01:07:05,520
like i say it just happened it wasn't

1749
01:07:08,789 --> 01:07:06,880
anything you

1750
01:07:10,549 --> 01:07:08,799
set out to do or anything because i was

1751
01:07:12,069 --> 01:07:10,559
innocently you know studying the martial

1752
01:07:13,670 --> 01:07:12,079
arts i wasn't thinking about anything

1753
01:07:14,630 --> 01:07:13,680
demonic or anything

1754
01:07:16,789 --> 01:07:14,640
right

1755
01:07:19,270 --> 01:07:16,799
but that's why the church

1756
01:07:21,109 --> 01:07:19,280
gives warnings to be careful what you

1757
01:07:23,190 --> 01:07:21,119
fool with and not to mess with stuff

1758
01:07:24,630 --> 01:07:23,200
like that because

1759
01:07:26,549 --> 01:07:24,640
you know you're opening yourself up

1760
01:07:28,710 --> 01:07:26,559
there are demons they're as real as all

1761
01:07:30,789 --> 01:07:28,720
the rest of this

1762
01:07:32,230 --> 01:07:30,799
and you don't want to open yourself up

1763
01:07:34,470 --> 01:07:32,240
to uh

1764
01:07:36,069 --> 01:07:34,480
inviting them into your life and

1765
01:07:38,710 --> 01:07:36,079
all that

1766
01:07:41,029 --> 01:07:38,720
and right i guess the same reason you

1767
01:07:44,549 --> 01:07:41,039
know they say don't you know play with

1768
01:07:47,510 --> 01:07:44,559
the ouija board as kids because you know

1769
01:07:50,789 --> 01:07:47,520
it's not that you have an ill intent but

1770
01:07:52,950 --> 01:07:50,799
it's a you know basically a portal

1771
01:07:54,789 --> 01:07:52,960
that things can pass

1772
01:07:57,589 --> 01:07:54,799
actually a win

1773
01:07:59,109 --> 01:07:57,599
a ouija board was the original uh had

1774
01:08:01,029 --> 01:07:59,119
original input

1775
01:08:04,069 --> 01:08:01,039
and to the exorcist movie and this real

1776
01:08:05,750 --> 01:08:04,079
story that st louis where that was based

1777
01:08:07,829 --> 01:08:05,760
was that's right and that case was

1778
01:08:08,710 --> 01:08:07,839
actually a boy wasn't it

1779
01:08:11,670 --> 01:08:08,720
yes

1780
01:08:13,190 --> 01:08:11,680
i had some recollection of that yeah

1781
01:08:15,829 --> 01:08:13,200
but no that

1782
01:08:17,430 --> 01:08:15,839
was instrumental in that and uh

1783
01:08:19,269 --> 01:08:17,440
oh no you don't want to mess with

1784
01:08:20,709 --> 01:08:19,279
anything like that and seances and

1785
01:08:23,189 --> 01:08:20,719
things i mean you're messing where you

1786
01:08:24,390 --> 01:08:23,199
shouldn't be messing and

1787
01:08:25,829 --> 01:08:24,400
uh

1788
01:08:27,990 --> 01:08:25,839
you know i was glad of course to be free

1789
01:08:29,110 --> 01:08:28,000
of it but you felt a big relief when it

1790
01:08:32,229 --> 01:08:29,120
was done

1791
01:08:33,590 --> 01:08:32,239
and like i say it wasn't like i was

1792
01:08:36,630 --> 01:08:33,600
setting out to mess with anything

1793
01:08:38,470 --> 01:08:36,640
demonic by any means but if you want to

1794
01:08:40,149 --> 01:08:38,480
be careful what you associate with and

1795
01:08:41,910 --> 01:08:40,159
that's why the church was once again

1796
01:08:43,749 --> 01:08:41,920
very against occultism and things like

1797
01:08:45,430 --> 01:08:43,759
that

1798
01:08:47,189 --> 01:08:45,440
right right

1799
01:08:49,669 --> 01:08:47,199
now um

1800
01:08:50,950 --> 01:08:49,679
in terms of uh

1801
01:08:53,510 --> 01:08:50,960
the other

1802
01:08:55,749 --> 01:08:53,520
things that might be going on today now

1803
01:08:57,510 --> 01:08:55,759
i know that you talked about in the book

1804
01:09:00,550 --> 01:08:57,520
some some jesus

1805
01:09:03,430 --> 01:09:00,560
sightings can you share um

1806
01:09:04,390 --> 01:09:03,440
you know maybe one of those in whether

1807
01:09:08,070 --> 01:09:04,400
or not

1808
01:09:09,590 --> 01:09:08,080
you're aware of some sightings that are

1809
01:09:12,070 --> 01:09:09,600
you know that have gone on recently or

1810
01:09:14,149 --> 01:09:12,080
going on now that we may not know about

1811
01:09:16,149 --> 01:09:14,159
and that may or may not be drawing the

1812
01:09:18,550 --> 01:09:16,159
attention of the church

1813
01:09:20,309 --> 01:09:18,560
well the the primary story in the book

1814
01:09:22,309 --> 01:09:20,319
that dealt with jesus's sightings was in

1815
01:09:25,749 --> 01:09:22,319
rwanda in africa

1816
01:09:28,070 --> 01:09:25,759
in the 80s and he was seen there

1817
01:09:29,829 --> 01:09:28,080
also catherine labor

1818
01:09:31,990 --> 01:09:29,839
excuse me saw

1819
01:09:35,030 --> 01:09:32,000
jesus and connected with her aboriginal

1820
01:09:37,749 --> 01:09:35,040
siding in france but uh

1821
01:09:39,349 --> 01:09:37,759
so there have been some yes

1822
01:09:41,669 --> 01:09:39,359
but uh

1823
01:09:44,309 --> 01:09:41,679
as far as what's going on right now

1824
01:09:47,110 --> 01:09:44,319
other than the one in bavaria i'm not

1825
01:09:49,590 --> 01:09:47,120
familiar with it because they basically

1826
01:09:51,510 --> 01:09:49,600
are you know closed-mouthed about it i'm

1827
01:09:53,110 --> 01:09:51,520
not saying there aren't others but sure

1828
01:09:54,550 --> 01:09:53,120
there's like i said they they told me

1829
01:09:57,189 --> 01:09:54,560
the international american research

1830
01:09:59,669 --> 01:09:57,199
institute is between 10 and 15 at any

1831
01:10:02,630 --> 01:09:59,679
given time they're studying

1832
01:10:04,790 --> 01:10:02,640
but as a norm uh it was just unusual in

1833
01:10:06,709 --> 01:10:04,800
bavaria that this was uh

1834
01:10:08,870 --> 01:10:06,719
you know mentioned now there were some

1835
01:10:10,550 --> 01:10:08,880
sightings in brazil

1836
01:10:12,390 --> 01:10:10,560
some

1837
01:10:14,229 --> 01:10:12,400
or five years ago

1838
01:10:16,470 --> 01:10:14,239
and there was a fellow named pedro regis

1839
01:10:18,470 --> 01:10:16,480
that was a brazilian seer

1840
01:10:19,270 --> 01:10:18,480
and i don't know whatever became of that

1841
01:10:21,270 --> 01:10:19,280
i i

1842
01:10:22,950 --> 01:10:21,280
just fell off the charts

1843
01:10:24,390 --> 01:10:22,960
but uh

1844
01:10:26,229 --> 01:10:24,400
i mean the church was studying that for

1845
01:10:27,590 --> 01:10:26,239
a time but i didn't read anything pro or

1846
01:10:29,510 --> 01:10:27,600
con on it

1847
01:10:31,430 --> 01:10:29,520
but like i say there's 10 or 15 going on

1848
01:10:33,510 --> 01:10:31,440
but i don't have i'm not privy to that

1849
01:10:36,390 --> 01:10:33,520
information other than one of bavaria

1850
01:10:38,790 --> 01:10:36,400
which was reported in the news

1851
01:10:40,149 --> 01:10:38,800
right right and i know i wanted to ask

1852
01:10:41,830 --> 01:10:40,159
you about something

1853
01:10:43,030 --> 01:10:41,840
uh

1854
01:10:45,350 --> 01:10:43,040
you just meant

1855
01:10:47,510 --> 01:10:45,360
pardon the magi gory ones are still

1856
01:10:49,430 --> 01:10:47,520
being reported on that's true that's

1857
01:10:51,350 --> 01:10:49,440
absolutely right you know that's been

1858
01:10:53,189 --> 01:10:51,360
going on for quite a long time

1859
01:10:55,350 --> 01:10:53,199
now um

1860
01:10:57,270 --> 01:10:55,360
you mentioned uh

1861
01:10:59,270 --> 01:10:57,280
off the air when we had our conversation

1862
01:11:01,270 --> 01:10:59,280
or sort of pre-interview i guess you

1863
01:11:04,470 --> 01:11:01,280
could call it um

1864
01:11:06,709 --> 01:11:04,480
you know i i said to you that i had uh

1865
01:11:08,550 --> 01:11:06,719
worked uh with a gentleman who had

1866
01:11:10,790 --> 01:11:08,560
written a book on marion sightings by

1867
01:11:13,189 --> 01:11:10,800
the name of ingo swann

1868
01:11:15,750 --> 01:11:13,199
and my uh

1869
01:11:18,470 --> 01:11:15,760
my connection with him was just very

1870
01:11:19,910 --> 01:11:18,480
uh very quick and and you know i

1871
01:11:22,149 --> 01:11:19,920
couldn't call him a friend or anything

1872
01:11:24,550 --> 01:11:22,159
like that i do have a close friend who

1873
01:11:26,709 --> 01:11:24,560
was very good friends with him i became

1874
01:11:28,310 --> 01:11:26,719
aware of him because of his involvement

1875
01:11:29,510 --> 01:11:28,320
with the military

1876
01:11:31,910 --> 01:11:29,520
uh

1877
01:11:34,390 --> 01:11:31,920
and their development of protocols for

1878
01:11:36,790 --> 01:11:34,400
their remote viewing program and his

1879
01:11:39,590 --> 01:11:36,800
work at uh princeton lab and in uh

1880
01:11:40,470 --> 01:11:39,600
stanford university with hal put off and

1881
01:11:41,510 --> 01:11:40,480
others

1882
01:11:42,950 --> 01:11:41,520
um

1883
01:11:46,070 --> 01:11:42,960
but

1884
01:11:48,870 --> 01:11:46,080
i was totally blindsided uh when i think

1885
01:11:51,110 --> 01:11:48,880
it was about in 1996 when

1886
01:11:53,270 --> 01:11:51,120
he wrote a book on marion sightings and

1887
01:11:55,430 --> 01:11:53,280
i thought right how strange and then

1888
01:11:57,350 --> 01:11:55,440
found out that that was a passion of his

1889
01:11:59,510 --> 01:11:57,360
now i know that you did some work with

1890
01:12:01,189 --> 01:11:59,520
him so can you uh share a little bit

1891
01:12:03,510 --> 01:12:01,199
about your experience with ingo swine

1892
01:12:05,510 --> 01:12:03,520
because he was really remarkable it was

1893
01:12:07,110 --> 01:12:05,520
very limited he just basically gave me

1894
01:12:11,669 --> 01:12:07,120
uh

1895
01:12:13,110 --> 01:12:11,679
you know wish me well it wasn't you know

1896
01:12:14,790 --> 01:12:13,120
great input

1897
01:12:16,630 --> 01:12:14,800
but uh

1898
01:12:19,990 --> 01:12:16,640
he you know is a good fella

1899
01:12:22,790 --> 01:12:20,000
and definitely uh 100 convinced the

1900
01:12:24,470 --> 01:12:22,800
validity of marion apparitions

1901
01:12:27,430 --> 01:12:24,480
yes but as far as i don't have in other

1902
01:12:29,430 --> 01:12:27,440
words i don't have that much to

1903
01:12:31,270 --> 01:12:29,440
you know elaborate on with it but

1904
01:12:33,430 --> 01:12:31,280
definitely an a number one guy and

1905
01:12:35,189 --> 01:12:33,440
completely capable boy

1906
01:12:37,910 --> 01:12:35,199
i mean absolutely

1907
01:12:40,709 --> 01:12:37,920
kind of a genius type i would say

1908
01:12:43,030 --> 01:12:40,719
oh yeah that whole program was based in

1909
01:12:44,390 --> 01:12:43,040
uh swan and then that fell out to

1910
01:12:45,669 --> 01:12:44,400
california but

1911
01:12:49,110 --> 01:12:45,679
of course they they trained others

1912
01:12:52,950 --> 01:12:49,120
certainly but i'm just now i paul smith

1913
01:12:55,350 --> 01:12:52,960
um i had him as my show some he was he's

1914
01:12:56,550 --> 01:12:55,360
out of austin texas and

1915
01:12:57,510 --> 01:12:56,560
uh

1916
01:12:59,189 --> 01:12:57,520
you know he was president the

1917
01:13:00,709 --> 01:12:59,199
international remote viewing association

1918
01:13:03,350 --> 01:13:00,719
for a while

1919
01:13:06,149 --> 01:13:03,360
yeah but but swann was a major figure

1920
01:13:07,990 --> 01:13:06,159
and actually swan they've only been this

1921
01:13:10,390 --> 01:13:08,000
the book i have is what would normally

1922
01:13:13,270 --> 01:13:10,400
be considered a survey book review

1923
01:13:14,790 --> 01:13:13,280
survey of the whole phenomenon of marion

1924
01:13:17,510 --> 01:13:14,800
apparitions are real

1925
01:13:18,950 --> 01:13:17,520
and what i'm saying is uh

1926
01:13:21,110 --> 01:13:18,960
there's only been like two or three in

1927
01:13:23,030 --> 01:13:21,120
the history of the world

1928
01:13:24,149 --> 01:13:23,040
and this is the latest one i guess you

1929
01:13:26,390 --> 01:13:24,159
might say

1930
01:13:28,390 --> 01:13:26,400
and it's just uh

1931
01:13:30,630 --> 01:13:28,400
most people write about one given

1932
01:13:32,950 --> 01:13:30,640
apparition or what have you

1933
01:13:34,709 --> 01:13:32,960
and

1934
01:13:36,470 --> 01:13:34,719
right

1935
01:13:38,630 --> 01:13:36,480
but i don't know this whole field is

1936
01:13:39,750 --> 01:13:38,640
just it's just fascinating and i would

1937
01:13:41,189 --> 01:13:39,760
love to

1938
01:13:43,110 --> 01:13:41,199
you know i did get some input from the

1939
01:13:43,750 --> 01:13:43,120
international marion research institute

1940
01:13:44,950 --> 01:13:43,760
and

1941
01:13:46,630 --> 01:13:44,960
akron

1942
01:13:49,510 --> 01:13:46,640
uh part of the

1943
01:13:51,990 --> 01:13:49,520
uh you know university uh actually date

1944
01:13:53,189 --> 01:13:52,000
i'm sorry dayton university

1945
01:13:55,189 --> 01:13:53,199
but uh

1946
01:13:57,189 --> 01:13:55,199
i'd like to spend a lot of time up there

1947
01:13:59,189 --> 01:13:57,199
but i just never had the you know

1948
01:14:01,350 --> 01:13:59,199
situation uh present itself to be able

1949
01:14:03,189 --> 01:14:01,360
to do it but they were very helpful and

1950
01:14:05,430 --> 01:14:03,199
they did uh put it on the bibliography

1951
01:14:07,910 --> 01:14:05,440
in 2010 for the uh

1952
01:14:10,390 --> 01:14:07,920
and basically that's a way of giving uh

1953
01:14:13,669 --> 01:14:10,400
approval to the book if you will

1954
01:14:15,350 --> 01:14:13,679
yeah yeah that's quite an honor i'd say

1955
01:14:17,590 --> 01:14:15,360
it was it was

1956
01:14:18,870 --> 01:14:17,600
but it's it's just this whole thing i

1957
01:14:21,189 --> 01:14:18,880
guess

1958
01:14:23,430 --> 01:14:21,199
there's a need for study in this whole

1959
01:14:24,630 --> 01:14:23,440
area and like i say i didn't even know

1960
01:14:25,830 --> 01:14:24,640
for example when those things were

1961
01:14:28,310 --> 01:14:25,840
happening to me at the church it had

1962
01:14:29,830 --> 01:14:28,320
been for all these many years i would

1963
01:14:31,590 --> 01:14:29,840
you know basically keep them to myself

1964
01:14:34,390 --> 01:14:31,600
so i started you know more budding up

1965
01:14:36,390 --> 01:14:34,400
with the priests but they told me of the

1966
01:14:38,870 --> 01:14:36,400
actually uh

1967
01:14:40,790 --> 01:14:38,880
well i guess the the the fella ran the

1968
01:14:42,709 --> 01:14:40,800
rci program did tell me when i felt the

1969
01:14:43,990 --> 01:14:42,719
chill after the holy water that that

1970
01:14:45,430 --> 01:14:44,000
happens a lot

1971
01:14:47,350 --> 01:14:45,440
so but i mean in the subsequent

1972
01:14:49,030 --> 01:14:47,360
conversations i've had with

1973
01:14:50,070 --> 01:14:49,040
the priests i've had there

1974
01:14:53,270 --> 01:14:50,080
there's

1975
01:14:55,669 --> 01:14:53,280
50 000 times more of this

1976
01:14:57,189 --> 01:14:55,679
than anyone knows it's even a catholic

1977
01:14:58,790 --> 01:14:57,199
because the catholics don't even speak

1978
01:15:01,750 --> 01:14:58,800
much of it

1979
01:15:03,750 --> 01:15:01,760
so the priesthood that's right

1980
01:15:05,270 --> 01:15:03,760
and uh like heidi

1981
01:15:07,510 --> 01:15:05,280
my co-host

1982
01:15:08,950 --> 01:15:07,520
was actually went to a catholic girls

1983
01:15:13,270 --> 01:15:08,960
college

1984
01:15:15,669 --> 01:15:13,280
been coed i don't know

1985
01:15:17,669 --> 01:15:15,679
but uh what i'm saying is she didn't

1986
01:15:19,270 --> 01:15:17,679
know anything about eucharistic miracles

1987
01:15:23,030 --> 01:15:19,280
even having spent four years at this

1988
01:15:26,950 --> 01:15:25,189
it's amazing i wonder why they do kind

1989
01:15:29,350 --> 01:15:26,960
of keep those

1990
01:15:30,470 --> 01:15:29,360
close to the best but but but it seems

1991
01:15:31,350 --> 01:15:30,480
like

1992
01:15:36,070 --> 01:15:31,360
you know

1993
01:15:37,830 --> 01:15:36,080
about the catholic church it's always

1994
01:15:39,750 --> 01:15:37,840
you know felt like there was a real

1995
01:15:41,669 --> 01:15:39,760
mystical element

1996
01:15:44,870 --> 01:15:41,679
to the catholic church that you might

1997
01:15:46,550 --> 01:15:44,880
not find in in some protestant churches

1998
01:15:49,110 --> 01:15:46,560
not all certainly

1999
01:15:50,709 --> 01:15:49,120
but i never had no i never i was an

2000
01:15:53,990 --> 01:15:50,719
anglican for many years i was a student

2001
01:15:56,950 --> 01:15:54,000
methodist mostly in anglican my life and

2002
01:16:00,630 --> 01:15:56,960
earlier part of my life and uh

2003
01:16:02,149 --> 01:16:00,640
ah i was even ordained anglican

2004
01:16:04,830 --> 01:16:02,159
actually clergyman in the anglican

2005
01:16:07,430 --> 01:16:04,840
church and uh

2006
01:16:09,430 --> 01:16:07,440
i i never

2007
01:16:11,910 --> 01:16:09,440
i won't say it never has happened i mean

2008
01:16:14,310 --> 01:16:11,920
i can't say that i'm not you know i

2009
01:16:17,430 --> 01:16:14,320
can't say that at all but what i can say

2010
01:16:21,270 --> 01:16:19,430
if it would be a puddle compared to an

2011
01:16:23,510 --> 01:16:21,280
ocean as far as the things that i've

2012
01:16:25,590 --> 01:16:23,520
experienced and the

2013
01:16:27,750 --> 01:16:25,600
you know the uh

2014
01:16:30,310 --> 01:16:27,760
little uh spiritual phenomenon if you

2015
01:16:32,709 --> 01:16:30,320
will it would just i never heard it like

2016
01:16:35,189 --> 01:16:32,719
for example for now i went to a

2017
01:16:36,870 --> 01:16:35,199
episcopal high school from grades 5 to

2018
01:16:39,669 --> 01:16:36,880
12

2019
01:16:41,270 --> 01:16:39,679
and never heard one word of anything of

2020
01:16:43,669 --> 01:16:41,280
this nature

2021
01:16:45,430 --> 01:16:43,679
you know like the chills or the

2022
01:16:49,030 --> 01:16:45,440
spiritual information or any of this

2023
01:16:49,910 --> 01:16:49,040
kind of never never

2024
01:16:52,070 --> 01:16:49,920
so

2025
01:16:54,310 --> 01:16:52,080
now it does happen in eastern orthodox

2026
01:16:55,189 --> 01:16:54,320
church

2027
01:16:57,910 --> 01:16:55,199
uh

2028
01:16:59,669 --> 01:16:57,920
you know but but my point i guess is

2029
01:17:01,590 --> 01:16:59,679
that you know yes i

2030
01:17:03,750 --> 01:17:01,600
i've always sort of had that recognition

2031
01:17:04,790 --> 01:17:03,760
that there is that very very mystical

2032
01:17:06,950 --> 01:17:04,800
element

2033
01:17:10,709 --> 01:17:06,960
uh to the church

2034
01:17:12,310 --> 01:17:10,719
but it does seem like they don't

2035
01:17:14,470 --> 01:17:12,320
it's not like they're keeping it a

2036
01:17:15,990 --> 01:17:14,480
secret because you know certainly we

2037
01:17:18,630 --> 01:17:16,000
know that you know if you need an

2038
01:17:20,709 --> 01:17:18,640
exorcist you know you call the church

2039
01:17:22,470 --> 01:17:20,719
and that they're not going to poo poo

2040
01:17:23,750 --> 01:17:22,480
you you know they're going to look into

2041
01:17:27,030 --> 01:17:23,760
it

2042
01:17:29,189 --> 01:17:27,040
and that they do uh recognize miracles

2043
01:17:31,669 --> 01:17:29,199
and things like that but it seems like

2044
01:17:33,910 --> 01:17:31,679
they keep it sort of on the down low a

2045
01:17:35,910 --> 01:17:33,920
little bit and i wonder if that's just

2046
01:17:37,189 --> 01:17:35,920
because of public perception

2047
01:17:39,590 --> 01:17:37,199
it that

2048
01:17:41,270 --> 01:17:39,600
you know they don't want to uh

2049
01:17:42,790 --> 01:17:41,280
you know fly

2050
01:17:44,630 --> 01:17:42,800
they don't want to flaunt it because

2051
01:17:46,470 --> 01:17:44,640
they they see that as an outgrowth of

2052
01:17:48,709 --> 01:17:46,480
your spirituality the main thing is

2053
01:17:50,149 --> 01:17:48,719
being a good person and you know obeying

2054
01:17:51,430 --> 01:17:50,159
the ten commandments and doing the

2055
01:17:52,470 --> 01:17:51,440
things you're supposed to do as a

2056
01:17:54,310 --> 01:17:52,480
christian that's what they want to

2057
01:17:55,350 --> 01:17:54,320
emphasize instead of the fireworks if

2058
01:17:56,470 --> 01:17:55,360
you will

2059
01:17:58,709 --> 01:17:56,480
so

2060
01:17:59,910 --> 01:17:58,719
i mean and protestant denominations have

2061
01:18:02,310 --> 01:17:59,920
some things like that too there's

2062
01:18:03,030 --> 01:18:02,320
protestant exorcists in this net

2063
01:18:04,310 --> 01:18:03,040
but

2064
01:18:06,470 --> 01:18:04,320
uh

2065
01:18:09,030 --> 01:18:06,480
but so what i'm saying though is i think

2066
01:18:11,669 --> 01:18:09,040
like you're indicating they they try to

2067
01:18:13,030 --> 01:18:11,679
emphasize the spiritual fireworks of it

2068
01:18:15,590 --> 01:18:13,040
if you will because they want you to

2069
01:18:18,390 --> 01:18:15,600
lead good lives not not concentrate so

2070
01:18:20,630 --> 01:18:18,400
much on the fire and smoke but just to

2071
01:18:21,830 --> 01:18:20,640
you know be a good person

2072
01:18:22,870 --> 01:18:21,840
right

2073
01:18:25,110 --> 01:18:22,880
now i

2074
01:18:26,390 --> 01:18:25,120
i'm gonna ask you are you still it

2075
01:18:27,910 --> 01:18:26,400
sounds like you since you're

2076
01:18:30,470 --> 01:18:27,920
familiarizing yourself with this

2077
01:18:32,630 --> 01:18:30,480
bavarian event it sounds like you're

2078
01:18:35,750 --> 01:18:32,640
still involved in the marian research

2079
01:18:38,390 --> 01:18:35,760
and do you plan to uh do any more

2080
01:18:41,110 --> 01:18:38,400
writing on it or what are your well i

2081
01:18:42,870 --> 01:18:41,120
might i might uh i might update it with

2082
01:18:45,750 --> 01:18:42,880
the uh our lady of good help in

2083
01:18:48,550 --> 01:18:45,760
wisconsin if i had another uh version of

2084
01:18:51,590 --> 01:18:48,560
the book at some point but i really uh i

2085
01:18:54,790 --> 01:18:51,600
really would like to write a book

2086
01:18:56,790 --> 01:18:54,800
on uh experiences of the in the rca

2087
01:18:58,630 --> 01:18:56,800
program wherein uh

2088
01:19:00,229 --> 01:18:58,640
entrance to the church would exp

2089
01:19:02,070 --> 01:19:00,239
experience uh all kinds of like

2090
01:19:03,750 --> 01:19:02,080
spiritual paths on the head if you will

2091
01:19:05,189 --> 01:19:03,760
like i experienced

2092
01:19:06,950 --> 01:19:05,199
and as i understand it from my

2093
01:19:09,350 --> 01:19:06,960
preliminary inquiries it's very much

2094
01:19:11,189 --> 01:19:09,360
widespread yes

2095
01:19:12,950 --> 01:19:11,199
oh that's interesting

2096
01:19:19,830 --> 01:19:12,960
you know

2097
01:19:21,990 --> 01:19:19,840
no one ever hears about and uh but

2098
01:19:24,790 --> 01:19:22,000
certainly through history not just

2099
01:19:27,510 --> 01:19:24,800
marian apparitions but other sort of

2100
01:19:29,510 --> 01:19:27,520
miraculous occurrences and other visions

2101
01:19:32,070 --> 01:19:29,520
and things like that have been they're

2102
01:19:34,149 --> 01:19:32,080
always you know end up being connected

2103
01:19:36,390 --> 01:19:34,159
you know to the catholic church somehow

2104
01:19:37,350 --> 01:19:36,400
you know or to the roman church back in

2105
01:19:39,669 --> 01:19:37,360
the day

2106
01:19:41,910 --> 01:19:39,679
like uh you know joan of arc you know

2107
01:19:45,510 --> 01:19:41,920
that wasn't really a marion sighting but

2108
01:19:47,030 --> 01:19:45,520
certainly she had visions and she became

2109
01:19:49,990 --> 01:19:47,040
sainted you know

2110
01:19:52,550 --> 01:19:50,000
after her death i mean she certainly was

2111
01:19:53,669 --> 01:19:52,560
uh you know pretty miraculous being

2112
01:19:55,590 --> 01:19:53,679
herself

2113
01:19:57,830 --> 01:19:55,600
to do what she did

2114
01:19:59,189 --> 01:19:57,840
uh at her age

2115
01:20:01,270 --> 01:19:59,199
and her gender

2116
01:20:06,709 --> 01:20:01,280
at that time in history it was

2117
01:20:10,310 --> 01:20:08,709
and you know i will say this

2118
01:20:11,750 --> 01:20:10,320
this is a you know

2119
01:20:13,350 --> 01:20:11,760
we're getting i guess to the end of the

2120
01:20:17,189 --> 01:20:13,360
show so but

2121
01:20:18,950 --> 01:20:17,199
the lourdes uh ongoing miracle really

2122
01:20:20,149 --> 01:20:18,960
uh of course you know saint bernard of

2123
01:20:22,550 --> 01:20:20,159
course but

2124
01:20:25,189 --> 01:20:22,560
but they have the best medical board

2125
01:20:26,950 --> 01:20:25,199
that has authenticated all kinds of

2126
01:20:29,189 --> 01:20:26,960
cures oh

2127
01:20:30,630 --> 01:20:29,199
they i mean ones that would just blow

2128
01:20:33,590 --> 01:20:30,640
your mind there's

2129
01:20:35,430 --> 01:20:33,600
there's they've got remnants of crutches

2130
01:20:37,830 --> 01:20:35,440
and wheelchairs that people have walked

2131
01:20:40,070 --> 01:20:37,840
out of and i mean really

2132
01:20:41,030 --> 01:20:40,080
first-class well-documented stuff and

2133
01:20:43,030 --> 01:20:41,040
it's done

2134
01:20:44,950 --> 01:20:43,040
it's not done just to whitewash them all

2135
01:20:46,310 --> 01:20:44,960
make them all miracles i mean they look

2136
01:20:47,590 --> 01:20:46,320
into them and these are as well

2137
01:20:49,110 --> 01:20:47,600
documented

2138
01:20:52,149 --> 01:20:49,120
as you could get

2139
01:20:53,669 --> 01:20:52,159
and it's been going on for 150 years or

2140
01:20:56,390 --> 01:20:53,679
better so

2141
01:20:58,070 --> 01:20:56,400
i mean these things just exist

2142
01:21:00,470 --> 01:20:58,080
and uh

2143
01:21:02,390 --> 01:21:00,480
i'm just happy to be you know associated

2144
01:21:04,870 --> 01:21:02,400
with it i really am i mean i've been led

2145
01:21:05,910 --> 01:21:04,880
into it i'm glad i'm here

2146
01:21:08,390 --> 01:21:05,920
because

2147
01:21:09,590 --> 01:21:08,400
you know evil old buzzard that i am i

2148
01:21:13,350 --> 01:21:09,600
you know at least i'm trying to do the

2149
01:21:15,110 --> 01:21:13,360
best i can but what i've been exposed to

2150
01:21:16,070 --> 01:21:15,120
yeah

2151
01:21:17,830 --> 01:21:16,080
and the

2152
01:21:19,910 --> 01:21:17,840
you know to this day

2153
01:21:22,390 --> 01:21:19,920
the most uh

2154
01:21:25,189 --> 01:21:22,400
prominent event i guess for you was that

2155
01:21:28,390 --> 01:21:25,199
uh the smell of the roses

2156
01:21:29,990 --> 01:21:28,400
in oresville new york at that shrine and

2157
01:21:33,189 --> 01:21:30,000
the reason i'm bringing this up again is

2158
01:21:34,950 --> 01:21:33,199
someone in the chat room uh who may have

2159
01:21:36,870 --> 01:21:34,960
joined the show a little bit late was

2160
01:21:37,830 --> 01:21:36,880
asking about what the feeling that you

2161
01:21:40,229 --> 01:21:37,840
got

2162
01:21:42,870 --> 01:21:40,239
and uh if you could just give us another

2163
01:21:44,950 --> 01:21:42,880
quick description uh well your

2164
01:21:46,630 --> 01:21:44,960
experience around as i was walking

2165
01:21:48,229 --> 01:21:46,640
around of course it was pretty of course

2166
01:21:49,510 --> 01:21:48,239
it's the adirondack mountain there even

2167
01:21:51,750 --> 01:21:49,520
it would be pretty

2168
01:21:54,070 --> 01:21:51,760
but it was a different feel than that

2169
01:21:56,470 --> 01:21:54,080
even separate from the smell

2170
01:21:58,790 --> 01:21:56,480
it was like

2171
01:22:01,110 --> 01:21:58,800
oh golly you know what it would be like

2172
01:22:02,229 --> 01:22:01,120
you know it would be this wasn't a you

2173
01:22:04,870 --> 01:22:02,239
knew you were in the

2174
01:22:05,669 --> 01:22:04,880
in the presence of something holy

2175
01:22:08,149 --> 01:22:05,679
and

2176
01:22:10,149 --> 01:22:08,159
in another vein not in the same vein but

2177
01:22:12,310 --> 01:22:10,159
in a similar vein let's say you went to

2178
01:22:14,550 --> 01:22:12,320
the gettysburg battlefield

2179
01:22:17,110 --> 01:22:14,560
you could feel that this was a

2180
01:22:19,030 --> 01:22:17,120
a place where something really

2181
01:22:21,590 --> 01:22:19,040
you know not miraculous but something

2182
01:22:24,550 --> 01:22:21,600
momentous happened if you will

2183
01:22:26,709 --> 01:22:24,560
but this was many steps beyond that

2184
01:22:28,310 --> 01:22:26,719
this was like or you know let's just say

2185
01:22:29,510 --> 01:22:28,320
on a more prosaic level if you went to

2186
01:22:31,590 --> 01:22:29,520
the lincoln memorial this would be

2187
01:22:34,229 --> 01:22:31,600
really an impressive thing say

2188
01:22:36,310 --> 01:22:34,239
this was many steps beyond that

2189
01:22:38,709 --> 01:22:36,320
this was like

2190
01:22:41,110 --> 01:22:38,719
like i can't even describe renee where

2191
01:22:42,229 --> 01:22:41,120
it came from but you you know

2192
01:22:43,910 --> 01:22:42,239
like you could be in the prettiest

2193
01:22:45,270 --> 01:22:43,920
church out there the prettiest cathedral

2194
01:22:46,629 --> 01:22:45,280
and you would say boy that's a lovely

2195
01:22:48,629 --> 01:22:46,639
cathedral but

2196
01:22:50,470 --> 01:22:48,639
this was like something that gripped you

2197
01:22:53,189 --> 01:22:50,480
like i'm in the presence of something

2198
01:22:54,950 --> 01:22:53,199
holy this is something powerful here

2199
01:22:57,510 --> 01:22:54,960
this is more than just a pretty building

2200
01:22:59,510 --> 01:22:57,520
or something like that or pretty grounds

2201
01:23:02,070 --> 01:22:59,520
it's almost like i can't even have words

2202
01:23:05,350 --> 01:23:02,080
to describe it i guess was it was it

2203
01:23:07,830 --> 01:23:05,360
humbling was it uh was it a good feeling

2204
01:23:09,910 --> 01:23:07,840
was it peaceful

2205
01:23:11,030 --> 01:23:09,920
all those things very humbling peaceful

2206
01:23:13,510 --> 01:23:11,040
and

2207
01:23:15,669 --> 01:23:13,520
awe-inspiring is what it was

2208
01:23:17,430 --> 01:23:15,679
and like i say i i was trying to work a

2209
01:23:19,110 --> 01:23:17,440
deal out like

2210
01:23:20,790 --> 01:23:19,120
you know with the powers that be i was

2211
01:23:22,470 --> 01:23:20,800
going to try to say look if all this

2212
01:23:24,070 --> 01:23:22,480
goodness is out there let me just croak

2213
01:23:27,270 --> 01:23:24,080
right here at the shrine and cut out all

2214
01:23:31,030 --> 01:23:29,110
but i mean they threw me back in like a

2215
01:23:31,830 --> 01:23:31,040
trout in the river but i mean

2216
01:23:34,070 --> 01:23:31,840
uh

2217
01:23:35,830 --> 01:23:34,080
but it was so awe you know i'm not used

2218
01:23:37,189 --> 01:23:35,840
to thinking in those terms but i was

2219
01:23:39,350 --> 01:23:37,199
serious

2220
01:23:41,189 --> 01:23:39,360
that sounds it sounds wonderful and you

2221
01:23:43,430 --> 01:23:41,199
know what the music is rolling so we've

2222
01:23:45,270 --> 01:23:43,440
all run all out of time i appreciate you

2223
01:23:48,470 --> 01:23:45,280
coming on kevin so wonderful you

2224
01:23:50,470 --> 01:23:48,480
mentioned heidi your co-host earlier and

2225
01:23:51,910 --> 01:23:50,480
she is going to be my guest next week

2226
01:23:53,830 --> 01:23:51,920
heidi hollis we're going to be talking

2227
01:23:54,629 --> 01:23:53,840
about the shadow people

2228
01:24:01,750 --> 01:23:54,639
the

2229
01:24:03,990 --> 01:24:01,760
people could be gotten that app versions

2230
01:24:05,830 --> 01:24:04,000
are real at amazon or

2231
01:24:09,270 --> 01:24:05,840
barnes noble or any of that